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Old 01-02-2013, 01:27 PM
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Hi jkl456 -

For partner visa statements, applicant and sponsor statements should be statutory declarations (see Commonwealth Statutory Declaration template online) if the person is in Australia. If the person is not in Australia, they should be written and witnessed by a person in that country who is authorised to witness and confirm the identity of the writer for immigration purposes by that country's regulations. Usually a Notary Public or Justice of the Peace will suffice. For additional statements, note requirements for 2 stat decs on Form 888 no more than 6 weeks old if you're lodging onshore, and for other statements & offshore statements, a certified copy of the statement and a copy of the writer's local ID (driver license) or passport is best.

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A bit confused with the declarations, should my partner and I write it on a stat dec or can we just type it up on an a4 piece of paper?
As Mark said they need to be statutory declarations if you have a look at the link I sent you http://www.immi.gov.au/contacts/form..._applicant.pdf That shows the layout that immigration wants.

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I just wanted to thank you all for your input!

My Aussie partner and I just spent a few hours sitting on computers next to each other typing our declarations and it's soooo fun that way. It's great to see your relationship through the other person's eyes and we both remember different details here and there which is so fun to read. And I always thought my man was a man of few words... turns out he's gonna hit 4 pages of very eloquent and sweet words

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I'm not being as nice as you, Nelly. lol. I am making him write his statement before showing him mine because I want it to be obvious that they are in each of our own words, respectively. Haha. Once we've both written ours separately, we'll compare and make sure we have all our dates correct on both documents. It will be interesting to see what he comes up with!


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Thank you Mark & KttyKat

Well I am in Australia my partner is in France, So do we both write them on australian stat decs or would she just write hers on a normal piece of paper and get it notorised.. sorry if i am coming off a bit slow but i just want to make sure we get everything right!

Also the form 888, are they only valid for 6 weeks? even if you apply offshore?


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Thank you Mark & KttyKat

Well I am in Australia my partner is in France, So do we both write them on australian stat decs or would she just write hers on a normal piece of paper and get it notorised.. sorry if i am coming off a bit slow but i just want to make sure we get everything right!

Also the form 888, are they only valid for 6 weeks? even if you apply offshore?
You are welcome. Yes with offshore a properly witnessed notarized statement is acceptable.

The 6 week time period is for onshore applications only. According to Mark Northam, it is OK if they are older for offshore applications but you still want them to be reasonably current IMHO.

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I'm going to stick my neck out and disagree a little. While it would be ideal if personal statements were either statutory declarations or witnessed and notarised documents, the instructions provided in the Partner Migration Booklet do not necessarily require this to be so (see pg. 39):

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You and your partner must each provide a statement regarding the history of your relationship,
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The statements written by you and your partner can be on ordinary writing paper or a statutory declaration form may be used. Each statement or statutory declaration must be signed and dated by the author. For details on who can witness statutory declarations, see page 28.
Tthere is a differentiation here between statements made on ordinary writing paper and statutory declarations - they both must be signed and dated by the author, but only statutory declarations must be witnessed.

This is also reflected in the official checklist supplied on page 24 of the applicants form, 47SP:

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In all circumstances, you should also provide the following documents with your application:
  • Evidence that your relationship is genuine and continuing
  • Written statements from you and from your partner detailing the history of your relationship (for example, when and how you met, when you started living together, joint activities, significant events in the relationship)
  • At least 2 statutory declarations from individuals who are Australian citizens or permanent residents and have personal knowledge of your relationship and support your claim that the relationship is genuine and continuing (see form 888 Statutory declaration by a supporting witness relating to a partner visa application)
I think the stat dec form for applicant and sponsor is supplied merely as a convenience and/or guide, just like form 888.

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I'm going to stick my neck out and disagree a little. While it would be ideal if personal statements were either statutory declarations or witnessed and notarised documents, the instructions provided in the Partner Migration Booklet do not necessarily require this to be so (see pg. 39):



Tthere is a differentiation here between statements made on ordinary writing paper and statutory declarations - they both must be signed and dated by the author, but only statutory declarations must be witnessed.

This is also reflected in the official checklist supplied on page 24 of the applicants form, 47SP:



I think the stat dec form for applicant and sponsor is supplied merely as a convenience and/or guide, just like form 888.
Sure you are correct about the partner migration booklet and that should be OK in theory, but they won't reject a statutory declaration, it may IMHO depend on where you apply and the case officer involved as to how they interpret the requirements. IMHO you don't want to give them any reason to delay the process or to request more. I know I over think things at times and err on the side of caution and for people who have used just signed statements for their applications I am sure they would be fine.

We were lucky that we could get the statutory declarations as form 888s done before we left Australia and used them for our offshore application.

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Sure you are correct about the partner migration booklet and that should be OK in theory, but they won't reject a statutory declaration, it may IMHO depend on where you apply and the case officer involved as to how they interpret the requirements. IMHO you don't want to give them any reason to delay the process or to request more. I know I over think things at times and err on the side of caution and for people who have used just signed statements for their applications I am sure they would be fine.

We were lucky that we could get the statutory declarations as form 888s done before we left Australia and used them for our offshore application.

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Oh definitely, nobody would reject a statutory declaration and as I say such things would be the ideal option, but if they don't expressly request it then it shouldn't have a negative effect if one supplied something short of a formal, witnessed form.

Although it would be ideal, in some cases (e.g. mine) it would be near impossible to get such a thing given certain difficult circumstances - I think any pharmacist, nurse or policeman in the country we're presently living in would balk at the thought of witnessing some document being signed, and then it'd be nothing short of a rigmarole finding a person suitable not only from the perspective of Aus Immigration but also, at the same time, from the perspective of local cultural norms! So I for one am quite thankful that they don't require such a degree of formality for this aspect of the application!


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This message is for MArk. Regarding writing statements. My partner and I don't know which exact date we meant but it was a holiday then. So is it safe to write down years and not exact dates. Anyway, when I checked my yahoo for dates, they weren't there anymore and I cannot backtrack the exchange of emails we had. I didn't know about archives that time. So it would be difficult for us to attach documents that support that real first meet up online. I am writing my relationship history as we speak. I hope you can help me on this area. My partner is an Australian. Thank you.


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