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Old 11-14-2013, 08:27 AM
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It's not really a lottery. Like as has been mentioned above, she is technically your friend that you met online. Nothing more. DIBP don't ask for all the ins and outs of how long you have known each other, they just want proof that she will return to the Philippines at the end of her visit. In order for to prove that, it is good to have things such as:

Letter from her employer stating she is allowed to have leave to go to Australia on a holiday
If she has any assets such as a car or house, show the title for those

Anything that ties her to her own country.

She won't be doing anything wrong nor lying, as the visitor visa is specifically designed for people to do exactly that. Visit Australia. You can't work, but you can come here and visit friends or family, even do a short study course (no longer than 3 months I think).

I was in a similar situation to you in 2011, I invited my 'friend' who I had been chatting to online for more than 2 years to come to Perth to visit and meet my friends and family. I had met her on 2 previous occasions in Indonesia, but they were only short visits. I proposed to her while she was here, then she went back to Indonesia and we started working on the prospective marriage visa.

We're now happily married and she works full time and we have an awesome relationship.

I understand that you are saying you want to live together first to check your compatibility, but there's no real easy way to do that unless you can convince DIBP to grant your friend a 3 or 6 month visitor visa. That may well be possible, but she just needs to have evidence to back her up that she will in fact be returning and there's no risk of her overstaying. The only other option is for you to go and stay with her, which you have pretty much ruled out due to your job.
lie and bend the truth are one in the same... You just prove this point even more...
I have to bend the truth in order to get her in Australia and to see her more.

I was hoping there was a visa for me to do everything by the book, but theres not.

We have to prove that she has no intention of staying in Australia.... but because we are in a relationship it is deception....

we have to say she is here visiting on a holiday and that she has no intention of staying in Australia.

Its frustrating... None of it seems logical.... exactly like defence, zero logic...

I don't have a clue what the visas are designed for apart from making money.
I can imagine they'd make a lot of money out of on the spot refusals and no refunds, including the fact that the prices of the visas have increased by 300%


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Old 11-14-2013, 08:58 AM
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I'm going to have to endure the pain which many have had to deal with....

I guess, incidentally the time I spend apart from her, in a long distance relationship, It's a good test of time.


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The immigration department sets the rules, and if they wanted people to lie and bend them, they would set different rules to prevent that happening. The rules are all you have to work with, if you don't like them then you should bring that to your local MP's attention. Otherwise, if you want to get your friend into this country and possibly spend the rest of your life with her, you'll need to work with what is available to you.

Immigration can be a very stressful and emotional process for people to go through, the slogan of DIBP is "people, our business". They make and break people's hearts on a daily basis, but at the end of the day they are just trying to provide a fair system for everyone. They are far from perfect, but so are most other government departments, so it's hard to pass blame like that.

Perhaps take a step back and don't overthink too many things. If you do, it will consume you and you'll end up going nuts. My advice to you is just chill out, try to work with what you've got available to you and make up your mind if you want to proceed or not.

I don't mean to sound harsh, but I can't offer you any other suggestions other than what has been offered in this thread. I wish you all of the best in whatever you decide to do moving forward. Keep your chin up and it will all work out in the end.

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Old 11-14-2013, 10:38 AM
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I still don't see why it would be lying or bending the truth for her to come to Australia on a visitor's visa. She is coming to visit a close friend, you and she plans to return home after her visit. All true, no bending or lying in any of that. She is not planning at this stage to come and apply for an onshore partner visa or overstay her tourist visa (quite the opposite as to overstay would jeopardize her long term prospects of a visa). All you need to worry about is demonstrating to immigration that she does plan to return home at this stage, which from what you have said is the truth!!!

She is allowed to visit a close friend on a visa even if down the track she intends to marry you. My husband was allowed to travel to the USA and marry me all legally, as long as he returned to Australia afterwards the US department of immigration was happy, we are sure of that because we asked before we did it that way! We didn't get married in Australia and apply for a partner visa, we chose to leave Australia, marry in the USA and apply for a 309 there.... all legal all around and keeping to the proper use of all the visas involved. Same kind of principle applies to your case, just do the right thing at each step and it can work out. When I came to Australia the first time on an ETA to see my then boyfriend (now husband) I wasn't breaking any laws or bending any truths, I returned to the USA when I said I would, even though I planned to eventually return for good.

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Old 11-14-2013, 11:32 AM
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Its apparent not many people are on the same wavelength. almighty immigration.

gobble gobble... second most unorganised organisation in Australia.


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Im better off doing this myself.

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No way to delete your account on this website...
Cool.

immigration department is equivalent to defence recruiting.

and defence recruiting is a farce.

recruiting agent is given $1000 bonus for each signup, if the applicant meets the requirements...
immigration agent is given $1000 bonus for each denial. which would make sense... if the target doesn't meet the requirements.

in both cases, they push the requirements for there own benefit. so stupid.

they must have a high turnover rate.


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You've quite clearly got a big chip on your shoulder. I, and everyone else in this thread have taken the time out of our life to try and help you. It seems you're very ungrateful for that.

So, good luck to you, and goodbye.

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I think this thread has been exhausted. It is not useful to continue with it. I am closing it.

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