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Old 07-13-2010, 03:06 PM
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Sydney vs Melbourne?

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I am from Montreal and I am planning to go live in Australia for a few months starting in October of this year. I am having trouble deciding between Melbourne and Sydney. I want to be in a busy place (not a suburb), but I also want to be near some beaches. From what I understand, you can live in Sydney and still be walking distance to some beaches. In Melbourne, the beaches seem to only be close to the suburbs. It is hard to tell on a map, so I would like someone who knows these areas to help me? On the other hand, I have read that Melbourne is a much more interesting place to live than Sydney and that the people are friendlier. I have ruled out the north because apparently it is the wet season when I am going... Any suggestions or ideas?


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Old 07-15-2010, 10:07 AM
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You wouldn't really walk to beaches if you live in Sydney CBD. You will still need a bus to get to Coogee, Maroubra, Woollahra, Bondi or other.

Both are great cities to live and there are disputes over and over on which of them is better. I personally live in Sydney and cannot complain.


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I'm from Melbourne so I'm probably biased but I'll try to be objective. Both are great cities.

Sydney

PROS
- warmer (but if you are really into beaches and warmth you'd probably skip both and move further north to Brisbane or the Gold Coast or the Sunshine Coast)
- more of an outdoors place
- surf beaches in the suburbs
- has the opera house and Sydney harbour and all those Australian icons
- probably a prettier looking city over all
- close to the Blue Mountains - very pretty national park

CONS
- unplanned city so getting 'round the CBD (downtown) is not as easy
- possibly more expensive cost of living but I don't think there is that much difference
- crime is possibly a bit higher but there isn't much difference there either
- more polluted
- more humid in the summer

Melbourne
- known as the cultural capital of Australia - has more artistic and sporting events than any of the other cities
- supposedly has the best shopping in Australia but there's a lot of good shopping in Sydney too
- planned city, easy to navigate CBD
- has trams!
- probably a bit more laid back than Sydney
- close to the Great Ocean Rd - some of Australia's top surfing beaches (e.g. Bell's Beach)
- nicer summers in my opinion (dryer heat) (but Sydney has better winters)
- less polluted

CONS
- colder especially in the winter
- beaches in the Melbourne surburbs are pretty ordinary - need to driver further out to get to good beaches
- not as pretty looking (but seems cleaner to me than Sydney)

If you are in Australia for a few months I really think you should go to both places. Both are bustling cities with lots to do. Also, as far as beaches go, I'd skip the city beaches for the nicer beaches along the Victorian or NSW coast if you REALLY want good beaches.

If you have to choose, my guess is that Melbourne is probably a little more like Montreal than Sydney so if you want something different go to Sydney, if you want something similar but different, go to Melbourne.

But go to both, they're both awesome! )


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Hi,

I am from Montreal and I am planning to go live in Australia for a few months starting in October of this year. I am having trouble deciding between Melbourne and Sydney. I want to be in a busy place (not a suburb), but I also want to be near some beaches. From what I understand, you can live in Sydney and still be walking distance to some beaches. In Melbourne, the beaches seem to only be close to the suburbs. It is hard to tell on a map, so I would like someone who knows these areas to help me? On the other hand, I have read that Melbourne is a much more interesting place to live than Sydney and that the people are friendlier. I have ruled out the north because apparently it is the wet season when I am going... Any suggestions or ideas?
As Dexter indicates, you cannot really live anywhere but a suburb if you want to be in reasonable walking distance of a beach for either city.
But if it's beaches that are most important to you, Sydney will have by far the best available closest to the CBD for Melbourne as you can see from maps is at the head of a bay and though Sydney is in a harbour, it is not too far to get to various harbour and coast beaches with surf and a great feery trip to be had from the CBD Circular Quay across to Manly and you may even find yourself happy with Manly as being a busy place more so than a suburban type feel.
Coming in October for a few months, though you may be more acclimatised to cooler beach weather, Melbournes beachy kind of weather doesn't really start until December for most people.
Getting around to see all areas is a good idea and you could even take in some of the tropical north for October is still a pleasant time to take in the Queensland Coast and Islands including the Great Barrier Reef as the wet season also doesn't really start to kick in until December.
You could head up that way for a bit and then the Sunshine Coast/Brisbane/Gold Coast Byron Bay region on way back down to Sydney and then Melbourne at the end or mix Sydney and Melbourne up a bit to get in the Melbourne Cup on first Tuesday in November [ need to book ] and then Sydney is abuzz from Xmas to NYE with start of Sydney to Hobart yacht race and the NYE Harbour fireworks that everybody flocks there for.
If you're planning on being in Sydney between Xmas - NYE and haven't got accommodation booked, you had better get cracking on that for accommodation gets booked heavily pretty quick starting already.





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Thank you for the replies everyone, these infos are really helpful. I will probably do both since I am so confused (they both have alot to offer it seems!) Now I have to figure out where to head first... I am thinking Sydney because it is warmer in october? Now another question I have is this: In both cities, what areas are unsafe for a girl alone who doesnt really know her way around? All big cities have them unfortunatly... And I dont want to end up renting a place in a bronx-type place without realising it...


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In Sydney it would be:

- Redfern (just before the city) which is known as Aboriginal area
- some of western suburbs associated with Lebanese and other muslims. In particular Bankstown, Lakemba, Merrylands, Ingleburn, Warwick Farm, Liverpool and surrounding areas.
- Kings Cross and Darlinghurst are known for druggies and prostitutes. However, I have been there quite a few times in the night and never saw anything dangerous.

However, if you go there in the middle of the day, you would expect no trouble.


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In Sydney it would be:

- Redfern (just before the city) which is known as Aboriginal area
- some of western suburbs associated with Lebanese and other muslims. In particular Bankstown, Lakemba, Merrylands, Ingleburn, Warwick Farm, Liverpool and surrounding areas.
- Kings Cross and Darlinghurst are known for druggies and prostitutes. However, I have been there quite a few times in the night and never saw anything dangerous.

However, if you go there in the middle of the day, you would expect no trouble.
I bet you didn't go snooping around the back streets of the Cross too much Dexter and I doubt that the other areas are likely to be for you Palomine if wanting to be near beaches and even a lot of the inner southern/south west CBD zone has a nightly gloom to it. I reckon Manly again might be best for you, an area popular with plenty of backpackers and perched between harbour and ocean, an open airy feel to it with plenty of buzzing about what they call the Corso, street between ferry terminal and the ocean side.
But when you say about renting a place, if you are going to be about in total for just a few months and even without splitting locales, you'll want to check out what's available within your budget for short term rentals are really going to be holiday apartment stuff or having a hotel room etc.
There'll be a great demand on that in week leading up to Xmas and that Xmas - NY week and then beyond.





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I bet you didn't go snooping around the back streets of the Cross too much Dexter
Actually, I used to park my car there as it was the only free parking close to CBD (ok, maybe the second one is Broadway Shopping Centre). I agree, it looks creepy but nothing ever happened to me and I never saw any danger there. Nevertheless, the area is considered to be unsafe and I do not encourage to stay there.

BTW a friend of mine used to live between Kings Cross and Elizabeth Bay for quite a few months. He used to walk home from Kings Cross station and also never complained.


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Thanks! It's the same thing here in Montreal. Sometimes people will tell me some crazy things happened somewhere, and I'll say, really, that's where I park my car on weekends... But being that I don't know Sydney at all and I'll be alone, I'll stay away from all those places, at least to find a place to live...


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I agree with 'wanderer' - i reckon Manly is an ideal place for you - I lived there before moving to America, it was 10 years ago and things change - but great public transport - catch a ferry to the city and see the harbour on the way - catch a bus to anywhere else, there's also boarding houses on the Northern Beaches - and as 'wanderer' said start looking now. I seem to remember a 'Y' at Manly?
What I loved was early morning walks along the beach before work, and if you didn't feel like surfing - walk a few minutes to the other side of Manly and swim in the harbour, or in the rock pool on the walk from Manly to Faery Bower.
Lots of choices, restaurants and other travelers like you.
2 months is not a long time actually and you can't explore everything without feeling totally burnt out - however, wherever you stay and whatever you do - have a grand adventure..ENJOY!!!!!!!


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