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Old 05-29-2012, 08:25 AM
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Immigrants already being exploited in Australia

Hi all,

Was watching the news and saw comments relating to how immigrants will be exploited by the new visa class being used to supply labor to mines in NT. It struck me as being pretty absurd given immigrants are already being exploited by both private and government businesses all over Australia already.

I am a security dog handler, I work on Railcorp property in NSW protecting trains from vandalism. I am a white Australian however 95% of my colleagues are Indian, Pakistani, African.

I have been involved in a fight with Workcover NSW, Railcorp and the company that supplies security to Railcorp since September last year over conditions and pay and it is unresolved and it looks like I will lose my job and nothing will change.

Its unfortunate that I cannot post images here since I managed to take photographs of the conditions but I will attempt to describe what is going on with words.

Railcorp contracts a security company to provide security officers to protect Railcorp property. Railcorp is a government owned business. Railcorp provides about 45 dollars to the company per guard per hour. The company provides about 15% of the guards itself, it then contracts other companies at around 27 dollars per guard per hour. The subcontracting company then hires immigrant labour for as little as 14 to 18 dollars per hour.

That may sound like a great wage but in comparison to what I earn (24 to 38 dollars per hour, plus holidays, sick days, superannuation) its terrible. I was told by my colleagues that they were advised by my company (not Railcorp) but one of the subcontractors to apply for the dole and they would be paid cash in hand so that they would "have a good wage".

The conditions are as follows: many sites have no shelter, no clean drinking water, no toilets, no lunch room. The supervisors refer to the immigrants as "blackies". They are required to be on call 24hrs. Some work 7 days a week, often required to perform back to back shifts of 12 hours, so work 24 hours without a break. They are fired without cause - one case I found particularly disturbing was an African being fired because a cleaner didn't like Africans being in their lunch room so she reported him for sleeping, he wasn't sleeping he was filling out his logbook as required but he was never asked, just told to leave site.

At the site I worked the 'lunch room' was a dumpster, with its lid tipped over and propped up with a piece of timber. The dumpster was the only shelter on site. It was used to hold refuse taken off the commuter trains as they were cleaned and so it contained feces, blood, vomit, urine and anything else that the cleaners swept off the trains. I have a photograph of this.

I have another photograph of the filter which provided the only water which the guards drank on a daily basis. It hadn't been changed in several years and was used to filter water that was recycled and not fit for human consumption.

The conditions that these guys are working under are 3rd world and they exist today, not in the future if and when Gina Rhineheart imports her own workers.


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This is sad news. Don't give up giving out this information one day it will pay off.One person can indeed make a difference!
Am african and my fiancee she is Australian. Hearing such news really makes me sad, if Only I there was something i could do.


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Hey Zamaussie, yeah I intend to keep trying to find someone who will do something.

Fact is no one who can do anything about it seems to care. We have a very strong undercurrent of racism in Australia, its not out in the open so much anymore but its still there.

If anyone reads this and knows of any organization or individual who could advise me where to take this to get some exposure I would greatly appreciate it.


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I don't see how that relates to racism? In my opinion it has nothing to do with it at all. More with market forces, people agreeing to work for less and rot the system! How is that linked to all the talk about racism? As long as there are people who agree to work for dodgy employers this will always happen.

Australia has a fantastic system of checks and protection, they could complain to FWA, media or anywhere else. It just means they are not willing to do anything about it. While I'm not against you bringing up the issue and discussing it, I strongly oppose labeling this amazing country as racist.

I'm not white if you were wondering.

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I don't see how that relates to racism? In my opinion it has nothing to do with it at all. More with market forces, people agreeing to work for less and rot the system! How is that linked to all the talk about racism? As long as there are people who agree to work for dodgy employers this will always happen.

Australia has a fantastic system of checks and protection, they could complain to FWA, media or anywhere else. It just means they are not willing to do anything about it. While I'm not against you bringing up the issue and discussing it, I strongly oppose labeling this amazing country as racist.

I'm not white if you were wondering.
Boboa,
When people are not willing to report you to relevant offices,that doesn't mean you have to take advantage of them. As their employer and responsible citizen and a human being for that matter should be able to see for your self that those work conditions are terrible not only looking at your profits.
If the 95% of the employees were white locals,the employer would have done something about it even without being asked....Danielrm mentioned...

"I have been involved in a fight with Workcover NSW, Railcorp and the company that supplies security to Railcorp since September last year over conditions and pay and it is unresolved and it looks like I will lose my job and nothing will change."....

Its Racism in disguise!!!..It could come from any race, not only white people are racist even black people too. I see that alot here in Southafrica both black and white doing some racist things.

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I would suggest that you get in touch with A current Affair, they'll love this sort of stuff.

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Boboa,
When people are not willing to report you to relevant offices,that doesn't mean you have to take advantage of them. As their employer and responsible citizen and a human being for that matter should be able to see for your self that those work conditions are terrible not only looking at your profits.
If the 95% of the employees were white locals,the employer would have done something about it even without being asked....Danielrm mentioned...

"I have been involved in a fight with Workcover NSW, Railcorp and the company that supplies security to Railcorp since September last year over conditions and pay and it is unresolved and it looks like I will lose my job and nothing will change."....

Its Racism in disguise!!!..It could come from any race, not only white people are racist even black people too. I see that alot here in Southafrica both black and white doing some racist things.

Its a complex matter but until everyone sees each person as a human being just like himself, then we will all try and do the best for others - Selfless Service
I understand that, and I know that. I moved from one of the most racist countries on this planet myself. Racism is wrong, ugly and cowardly. And yes racism can be black, white, muslim or yellow.

But labeling the whole country, it's government and it's people as racist because of rotten few is wrong!

Australia is nowhere near being racist. Majority of people and organizations here are very fair and equality be that black, white, gay or straight is valued and protected.

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I don't see how that relates to racism? In my opinion it has nothing to do with it at all. More with market forces, people agreeing to work for less and rot the system! How is that linked to all the talk about racism? As long as there are people who agree to work for dodgy employers this will always happen.

Australia has a fantastic system of checks and protection, they could complain to FWA, media or anywhere else. It just means they are not willing to do anything about it. While I'm not against you bringing up the issue and discussing it, I strongly oppose labeling this amazing country as racist.

I'm not white if you were wondering.
On the contrary I believe it is a racism issue. Minority groups, primarily Indian, Pakistani and African's are being exploited (terrible conditions / pay) based on their groups vulnerabilities. Additionally the workers are referred to by supervisors (in front of me) as "Blackies", "Darkies". Workers are sacked without warning or reason because someone reports them falsely because they don't like their race being in the lunchroom and management doesn't investigate or question. How is that not racism?

I disagree with you when you say Australia has a fantastic system. I have contacted Workcover, Fair Work Australia, Independent Rail Safety Regulator, NSW Ombudsman, NSW Minister for Transport and nothing has been done.

To give you an example of how things went.

Workcover
Contacted September - No response
Contacted October - Response in November
Inspector interviewed me at work. Despite promising confidentiality brought my boss and Railcorp manager who stood nearby and watched the interview - later was told that my boss had gloated I had nothing to say while he was there. Prior to interview told me that it was all a misunderstanding due to bad communication. I disagreed, I offered to show evidence that what they were saying was untrue. He refused to view it. Refused to interview people who could prove what I was saying was true with logbooks / notebooks, refused, he had already interviewed people picked by my boss. He then found my allegations unsubstantiated. No action taken.


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I don't see how that relates to racism?
Neither do I.

Besides, nobody forces immigrants to come here and stay.


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Neither do I.

Besides, nobody forces immigrants to come here and stay.
Why don't you feel what I describe is a racism issue.

Also what are you implying by "Besides, nobody forces immigrants to come here and stay"? Are you saying immigrants deserve to have wages stolen from them, their conditions changed and their safety jeopardized because they weren't forced to come here and can leave if they want?

Also on the first line of your 2 line post, you state that's you agree its not a racism issue and then on the second line you seem to be blaming the immigrants for the discrimination (even though you don't think its a race discrimination issue) for coming to Australia and staying.


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