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Old 06-07-2010, 08:40 AM
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Why is it sad? Is it because they are limiting migrants? Certainly they must do this to some extent. Is it because they are doing it via ielts? Well, if you must limit, language seems like a good way to do it. It is definitely more objective than nationality, age, race, etc.

Most competent people should be able to pass the ielts. Others can do it the second time. If they can't, well sorry but if you have to limit migrants, cut the weakest.
what is your definition of competent people? how do you determine a good ielts test score? i am not sure wether you are familiar with the system. as i pointed out in my previous post, there are 2 ielts test requirement for PR applicants. On one hand, some applicants are required an ielts score of 6 whereas other need a score of 7. the latter is due to the fact they study shorter courses . Why the discrepancy? clearly, something is wrong.. all applicants should be required to obtain the same ielts test score regardless of their circumstances..


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Australia has the same English standards for everyone - not only Asians. Anyone from non English spoken country has to pass IELTS. Also, if you are a citizen of an English spoken country and were born in there, your English recognition is only equivalent to 6 in all parts of IELTS. I personally met native speakers working in healthcare who had to pass academic IELTS with 7 in each section to get work.

It is obvious that some applicants will be required to get 6 and some 7 - depending on their profession. For points test purposes scoring is always the same - 15 for 6 in each section and 25 for 7. It is occupation recognition that has additional requirements. Think logically - you will need different language skills if you are a mechanic and different if you are a doctor or a nurse. That's the reason for differences.

Australia doesn't want doctors or nurses with insufficient English. How useful will they be to the society if they cannot understand what the patient says (in English) or what particular medicine does (due to instruction in English).


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what is your definition of competent people? how do you determine a good ielts test score? i am not sure wether you are familiar with the system. as i pointed out in my previous post, there are 2 ielts test requirement for PR applicants. On one hand, some applicants are required an ielts score of 6 whereas other need a score of 7. the latter is due to the fact they study shorter courses . Why the discrepancy? clearly, something is wrong.. all applicants should be required to obtain the same ielts test score regardless of their circumstances..
Once agan, have you read the requirements properly.
Read Skilled – Independent (Migrant) Visa (Subclass 175) and then state specifically the discrepancy you speak of.

If you want to keep just stirring the pot by claiming things which are not so, I can tell you that you will no longer be posting here.





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Old 10-19-2010, 03:57 AM
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Practice of Medicine skills requires competency based thorough clinical judgement.Language skill is only a part of this practice.

This by no way stands any answer to the biased IELTS criteria but allow me to let you know that may be sometimes this judgement can be wrong and unfair in the assessment of a Clinician...like in my case....
with 7 score in Listening and 8+ in speaking!! but ............

If communication is the sole criteria for the practice of medicine then so far, I see no criteria no yardstick for the language assessment of native english speakers.They may aslo have poor communication skills like all human beings.

This point needs to be worked out and categorised.

Let us end this issue with .................one solution ...................IELTS for All .
Let us make IELTS compulsory for all with no discrimination of country and colour and then see who wins the race dude!!
Let's put it in another way. English is one of the hardest languages to learn, and when you've got a continent where you'll have patients who are born Aussies, English, Asian, American, Irish, other Europeans, etc you encounter a broad dialect of the English language.

Therefore, if you are my doctor, and I am describing a problem to you, and I say something like "burning sensation" and you interpret that as "dull pain" and prescribe a certain drug, we have a problem.

The test is there, as has been stated, to protect the Australian people, first and foremost. And it's not about discrimination, it's about making sure that patients in Australian medical care are represented by those who are competently able to understand the problems at hand.

Using it in other contexts-if someone has a low IELTS score and gets on a forklift and fails to understand the "NO ENTRY" sign, this could be dangerous, or if they can't understand the "Hardhats must be worn in this area" sign, again, this is a problem. So it's these rules are in place for the protection of potential migrants as well as the Australian people.

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hi everyone,
I don't think, its bad to set strict standards because quality come with strict standards, and as you said your are a doctor, then you should know good English, because in case of small misinterpretation a Life Savior can become a Death Provider.


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Australians have generally high standards of health care. We expect our medical officers to be fluent in English. If a medico cannot communicate effectively with other Australian medicos or their clients, it introduces too many possibilities for serious errors to occur. I personally would NOT want to consult a medical officer who has poor English skills for those very reasons. A person's health is too important for communication errors!

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I am a Pakistani Doctor(MBBS 1992) ,recently working in UAE as GP.
I am looking to move to Australia since long.But have failed due to IELTS 7+7 in all compulsion.
I have 7 overall but less in reading(6) and writing(6).This score too will expire this october 2010.I want to move to Australia on 422 Subclass visa for GP,s and start my supervised clinical practice in area of need or workforce shortage areas till I improve my IELTS(If needed) and of course do my AMC exam and track my career for General Practitioner.

I shall be thankful doctor if somebody can guide me and decrease my disappointment.


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hi,
even if some how you reached here, you are not able to stand up in your field (doctor)
because for that you need to interact with common people and you won't be able to understand and interpret them easily so ... don't try to use shortcuts.. use your own brain and first get fair enough knowledge of English (speaking and writing and understanding ) because it is the least requirement of your field


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An Asian Australian can be generally defined as a person of Asian ancestry who was born in, or is an immigrant to, Australia.

There is no agreed definition of who an Asian Australian is, although for the purposes of aggregating data, the Australian Bureau of Statistics in its Australian Standard Classification of Cultural and Ethnic Groups (ASCCEG) has grouped certain ethnic groups into certain categories, including Northeast Asian e.g Chinese Australian, Southeast Asian e.g Vietnamese Australian, South Asian e.g. Indian Australian and Central Asian e.g Kazakh Australian. [2] For the purpose of this article an Asian Australian is considered to be an Australian resident falling into either of these three groups.

At the 2006 Census 1,696,568 Australian residents declared that they had ancestral background to one of these three groupings, either alone or in combination with one other ancestry. This represents about 8.7% of all responses.


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This is not really about being an Asian. This is about migration from an Asian country and language requirements. They are the same for everyone but most Asians struggle with English language (as its grammar is completely different to their mother tongue plus it has completely different pronunciation) and to them it looks like Australia is really strict with its English requirements.

My wife is Chinese (immigrant) and I can see how difficult it is for her to pronounce some things or to pickup some grammar elements. Nevertheless, Immigration rules are going the right way as they focus on English skills.


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Been a long time!!

Aqeel, i know exactly where you're coming from.
BUT and it's a very BIG BUT in this world.
The ass's that we and you employ and elect to run our countries are the people who decide what we do. How much we pay for daily goods and how much we owe them!
The big problem is the fact that so many "foreign" people are moving to ENGLISH speaking countries. And 2 be honest they can't speak the lingo!!
I am not taking this lightly as in my service in RAF I have had 2 learn so many languages that it isn't funny anymore.
So to effect I totally agree with Mollory (irish?) and wanderer, if you were serious then english is your No 1 education need.


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