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Old 06-07-2010, 05:00 PM
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I'd not say the GC/SC are necessarily more multicultural than Sydney or other cities and if anything possibly less so for more people have always settled down in Sydney or Melbourne regions with Queensland being something of a late bloomer re growth and has at times been regarded as something of a rednecks state.

It has been more warmer climate for retirement that started off a lot of more permanent moves and then there were always the stories of people from the south, more so than Victoria getting up there and not liking it and moving back south.
The humidity can take time to acclimatise to and unlike places further south of the equator or as in Europe, further north you do not get the significantly longer summer nights, especially as you do with daylight saving which Queensland has never had and never looks like getting.
The upshot of that is you do not get winter days where it is still dark after 6am. and the days themselves in winter can be more like a southern Oz or European autumn.
With milder winters and humid but not necessarily hotter summers you've probably got bugs about more often but having come from a southern colder climate myself most of my life it's easy enough to handle life in the north, nearly shorts all year round.

With the GC in particular being more so the destination for foreign visitors, you do get people from a lot of different countries about whereas north of Brisbane it is becoming more settled with permanent residents either wanting out of Brisbane or perhaps even the GC for the GC is becoming more and more high rise territory with each passing year.
The northern regions used to be more of sleepier backwaters but these days it is a lot more active though not entirely big city active.
The GC also has a reputation of being something of a transient population area and just like anywhere you can have longer term locals not really so much open at all even as far as neighbours go.
My wife and I met more friendly people walking our dogs in the local park than what we had as nearest neighbours though we got on well with others nearby, ironically one couple where an Aussie guy had married a Japanese girl and another couple being South Africans ex New Zealand.

Queensland is becoming popular with NZers too, both of caucasian and Maoris races and though you do get more isolated racist things happening from time to time, I do not think it is such a big thing in Australia aside from a few areas.

An interesting example I had once was having a walk on our local beach myself [ small town well north of Brisbane but becoming more popular ] I noticed a really black as black can be girl sitting a bit apart from other beach goers and there having been something in news about then, I approached her to see if she was finding racism issues in Australia and whether that was why she was sitting apart.
Oh no!, she answered in this real cockney accent that dark skinned people seem to have in England more so than the white english and then she told me of how she had some casual work over in Perth [ yes, Perth ] in a social security office I think it might have been [ ironically ] and it was another dark skinned person who gave her a bit of a time of it!

A german girl once told me of her volunteering in Alice Springs at an indigenous child minding centre and it was half caste children who were really treated badly by the full blood indigenous and because she had showed interest in their welfare she was threatened by some indigenous people [ to the extent she left AS ]

So racism does make its appearances in various ways!

A great way to meet people other than sports is get yourself a dog or dogs[ especially one from the RSPCA or Animal Welfare ] and have regular walks with it or them.

And you will find the SSC with more affordable options though right on the beach at either GC or SSC can be prohibitively expensive.
Oh my goodness! Might I as well go back to Perth??? Lol

I haven't been home since 1998, do you know if it has changed much? :-)


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Yes, I second Wanderer's advice. Though personally, the only racism I've encountered was very mild verbal comments "behind the back" and directed at Asians. So thankfully they were not aware of it.

Your best bet is to first take a look around and then decide which place suits you most. Sunshine Coast and Gold Coast have very different atmospheres, again the Hinterland areas are totally different in lifestyle than the area along the beach strip. The Gold Coast, all the way up to Brisbane is more developed, which means more job opportunities. Up till now, traffic jams are moderate and of short duration. Pollution is light. It's an easy life style. Did you take a look at some Real Estate websites? Rentals are also listed there.


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Sutherland Shire in Sydney. This is where 5 years ago there were riots between Australians and guys of Lebanese background.


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Sutherland Shire in Sydney. This is where 5 years ago there were riots between Australians and guys of Lebanese background.
Yes there was something of a racial or more so a cultural tone to that development, but something of a flash in the pan all the same.

The background to it Chayah was that some guys had been down on the beach making pests of themselves re kicking a ball about near girls sunbaking in bikinis [ that kind of a red flag to a bull re Islamic standards ] and one of our very own Bronzed heroes [ life saver ] apparently intervened and then at some stage he was set upon by the ball kickers.

That got more than up the nose of the Aussie lads and via texting etc., Cronulla Beach was bash a lebanese [ or any other meditteranenan looking fella I suppose ] central for one morning and some nasty scenes flashed all over the media with quite a few yobbos out of control and running amuck.
There was also some follow up stuff re assaults by car gangs and quite a bit of ill feeling about.
It had probably not been helped by a couple of rape cases involving middle eastern youths and then then the senior Islamic cleric of the time referring to bikini clad girls as like a piece of rotting meat to flies or something like that.

There is a certain ammount of gang mentality about in the various cities and even Adelaide and Perth have their Bikie gangs, but yeah Sydney and Melbourne have their hot spots I suppose you could say more so than the other cities.

I was interested in your comment Dexter re dislike for Asians
Does your Chinese wife feel that directly for Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane have long established Chinatown sections and many Aussies are partial to Asian foods.
I do know that for many years following WW2 there was a certain distaste for anything Japanese and I would not be surprised if there are still elders about who had experienced POW camps and would not have a bar of them, many people decades back never wanting anything to do with a Japanese car.
And then we have had some problems re Vietnamaese gangs in both Sydney and Melbourne.

And whilst you can always get people who will have a dislike of Asian people for whatever reason [ maybe some in our cities fear being overrun because there always seem to be so many about but then Asians are probably more so always out and about cities because that is how they live in Asia, in closer quarters, there being a greater population density and so it is then somewhat alien for a suburbanite making a less infrequent trip into the CBD ] I think there are many who once they know some or have even just interacted with asians without problems will have a different view.

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Oh my goodness! Might I as well go back to Perth??? Lol

I haven't been home since 1998, do you know if it has changed much? :-)
Perth has probably had a more dramatic change in the past decade than the eastern states in some ways for the latest resources boom has both made for a lot of opportunity over there we're led to believe of late but also a sky rocketing re housing prices, sort of catching up to if not surpassing prices of eastern states in some housing categories.
Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane have been more of the same with a more continual steady increase in sizes and expansion of the urban sprawl along with new shopping centres but lacking behind in other ammentities that are usually associated with more established suburbs, and then of course there is always the increased traffic congestions.
So if you had been familiar with the eastern states you might notice less of a change than what Perth has had.

I was wondering why you're thinking eastern states rather than returning to Perth because once away from Perth itself, I'd reckon you'll sure have far less built up areas and many more less developed beach areas than what you'll find along the east coast other than the smaller coastal towns regions. And Perth will not have the same humidity as Sydney or Brisbane.
The only issue Perth really has is its water supply, not that it has not been an issue in the east of late with a long drought period and other than Hobart, Canberra and Darwin, I think just about all capital cities are at some stage of looking at desalination plants.





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I was interested in your comment Dexter re dislike for Asians
Wanderer, dislike for Asians comes out in conversations with the locals but in 99% remains there and does not turn into actions. As I worked in quite a few places, dislike for Asians or Indians came up from time to time. I think it happened 2 or 3 times to my wife when she worked in a shop and spoke in her mother tongue to another Chinese lady. In each case a middle age/elderly guy commented 'we are in Australia, we only speak English here, go back to your country'. I personally had a similar situation when I worked in a supermarket as customer greeter. One of older Aussie customers approached me and said 'I'm glad to see at least one white face. There are so many f*** gooks around'. From his side it was supposed to be a complement at me - I suppose.

What causes dislike for Asians is usually their lack of English skills and arguments about every single cent and the fact that our market is flooded by Chinese products (isn't it like that everywhere?). I also met quite a lot of dislike for Indians in IT and Telco Industry. Mainly because of their poor customer service and annoying telemarketing calls when they speak for 5 minutes before you can find out why they are calling. This is less racial though and more cultural. It does not refer to locals of Asian or Indian background but only to certain group of immigrants (again, not all of them). I cannot say that I don't understand it - my feelings about these issues are the same.

Eating Asian or Indian food or the fact that Chinatown has been around for so long does not change things although I am sure that people are much more tollerant than they used to be 20 years ago or at the time of White Policy. Maybe because children of these Asian/Indian immigrants have grown up and have fully joint local society bringing a few new things into the culture.

Despite all these facts, we both find Australia as the most friendly country we have been to and we couldn't get ourselves a better place. We compare it to Asia and Europe where we have been to.


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Wanderer, dislike for Asians comes out in conversations with the locals but in 99% remains there and does not turn into actions. As I worked in quite a few places, dislike for Asians or Indians came up from time to time. I think it happened 2 or 3 times to my wife when she worked in a shop and spoke in her mother tongue to another Chinese lady. In each case a middle age/elderly guy commented 'we are in Australia, we only speak English here, go back to your country'. I personally had a similar situation when I worked in a supermarket as customer greeter. One of older Aussie customers approached me and said 'I'm glad to see at least one white face. There are so many f*** gooks around'. From his side it was supposed to be a complement at me - I suppose.

What causes dislike for Asians is usually their lack of English skills and arguments about every single cent and the fact that our market is flooded by Chinese products (isn't it like that everywhere?). I also met quite a lot of dislike for Indians in IT and Telco Industry. Mainly because of their poor customer service and annoying telemarketing calls when they speak for 5 minutes before you can find out why they are calling. This is less racial though and more cultural. It does not refer to locals of Asian or Indian background but only to certain group of immigrants (again, not all of them). I cannot say that I don't understand it - my feelings about these issues are the same.

Eating Asian or Indian food or the fact that Chinatown has been around for so long does not change things although I am sure that people are much more tollerant than they used to be 20 years ago or at the time of White Policy. Maybe because children of these Asian/Indian immigrants have grown up and have fully joint local society bringing a few new things into the culture.

Despite all these facts, we both find Australia as the most friendly country we have been to and we couldn't get ourselves a better place. We compare it to Asia and Europe where we have been to.
I can understand all that Dexter and I suppose older people find change harder and perhaps have little appreciation of how it is still easier for people from the same country to communicate in their own language at times, but still doesn't excuse them for being rude or just outright racist.
If they had ever travelled, they would probably be surprised at how many english speaking people were speaking english because they had minimal ability in the local language and I even know of people not prepared to travel through Europe because of language!

I must admit I do also find it annoying with call centre operators at times and I have experienced various rude attitudes of their own, for instance if they are shooting something off so quickly and when they take a breath, I say can you please slow down and start again or just tell who you are from and what is it you are wanting to sell, I often get a hang up.
Other times I have had some delightful conversations because of far less accent and a slower pace, but that has more likely been when I have initiated the call.
But I do not see it so much as disliking people because of their call or their english speaking and more just an irritation for the usually nondescript company behind it.

And for some reason or other, it seems that people with their own language have to seem to be shouting it at times [ usually males ] when using mobile phones and that can also be damm annoying but the same can happen with any lout in english too.

But good that you still feel Australia is overall a friendly place to call home.





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I couldn't think of a better home for myself and my wife, to be honest. I have pointed a few things out but they are no major thing to me or my wife. As a matter of fact, we find Aussies to be friendly, tolerant people and I personally enjoy working among Aussies of various backgrounds.


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Some interesting comments here. My wife is Japanese and we've been toying with where to live in Australia for some time...actually 12 years! I'm originally from Brissy, and love the area as I know it so well but my wife hates it for some of the reasons mentioned. She finds it very uncomfortable when we're home and avoids going shopping or just being in public due to the fear of racial attack (abuse). She experienced it a few times in Brisbane, once from a woman with a European accent, saying that asians don't belong here and go back to 'China'. We recently spent a couple of weeks in Melbourne as part of our search of 'where would be a nice place to live' and was pleasantly surprised. We lucked out with the weather there, beautiful warm, sunny days and long twilight. I'm sure if I said to my wife, how about living in Melbourne, she'd have the bags packed in a flash...however we don't have the money to forfill that dream so it'll just have to wait. Anyway, my suggestion is, if you like or seek a multicultural environment with good beaches (depends on what type of beach you seek...I like calmer waters for windsurfing and kayaking), then Melbourne isn't a bad spot and climate won't be too far from what you're experiencing in the UK. If your heart is still on Brissy, then I'd suggest run with that as you'll probably always wonder, 'what if'. Hope this helps.


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Hi all,

I just started reading this thread and was interested by some of the things I have read. i myslef am half-Asian, and in fact am a first generation Aussie - both my parents were born OS and migrated to Australia.

My mother is Singporean Chinese and has lived in Australia more than 35 years. It was terrible when she first came over, with bad memories still in people's minds from the Vietnam War. Some people used to make round-the-bush comments about "boat people" directly to her face, but she just ignored their stupidness. Things have changed and Oz is becoming much more cosmopolitan and open-minded, but recently I feel another stage of anti-immigrant/ foreigner ferver building.

In my experience as an English teacher, I have taught a lot of Asians from all over - China, Hong Kong, Japan, Thailand, Korea, China, Taiwan. They all generally like Australia and enjoy the lifestyle, but those who have lived or studied there for a while seem to agree that they feel more racism and discrimination in Brisbane than other cities like Melbourne or Sydney. Possibly this comes from Queensland's conservative past? Pauline Hanson rose to infamy from the depths of our state, so there must be something about the Sunshine (oops, Smart) State that fosters these racist leanings? I still get flack from Asians about Pauline Hanson and her shocking run in politics, some even thinking she is or was our Prime Minister!

As Skydancer said, if you are white or look Caucasian, you can go through life in Australia never feeling any racism. But, for bi-racial Aussies like me, we see the best and worst of both worlds, and sometimes feel the snide, masked racist comments the most. I look obviously like I have "Asian influence" and often get asked "Where are you from?" I usually answer that I'm from Brisbane, but I remember one stranger was not satisfied with this, and asked about my parents. So, I eventually relented and told them that my mother is Singaporean. "Ah, so that explains why you don't look Australian". What the f*** does that mean?! (Excuse my language ) So, clearly my experience shows that the notion of the sun-bleached, blonde haired, blue-eyed Aussie still exists. And even if you have been born and raised in Australia, have a broad accent and don't even know your immigrant parents' language, you are still not seen as being a 'real Australian'.

I just hope that with all this talk of immigration policies from both parties our society and community doesn't go back to the dark days of the past. We all need to work at upholding our reputation as a free, relaxed and multicultural nation. I love Australia and Queensland, the state I was born and raised in, and I hope that anyone who is granted the privellage of living there (whether by birth or immigration) will be treated with respect and be considered a valued member of Australian society.


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Aussiegirl - do you feel that culturally you are slightly different from caucasian Australians? For example by what sort of food you eat or how you spend your time off? I have quite a few Asian Aussies at work and they are slightly different in those matters.


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