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Question Multicultural marriage acceptance - Please be honest

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Having now gained a better understanding of the right visa to apply for for my husband, I am now addressing the concern of potential racism.

I am white Australian born, I live in London wth my husband who is black British Jamaican, and our son.

On trying to decide on the best place for us to live, we are finding numerous recent reports of racist incitement and violence

Like most people, we want to be near the beach, somewhere not too busy but not too far from the city and we want to live in peace and harmony. We want to be accepted and respected as individuals and as a family.

I personnally am pulled towards north NSW and the Brisbane areas (I am from Perth), but Sydney is more multicultural though expensive. However, most of the racial tension seems to be around Sydney.

Please can anyone give straight up honest advice?

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Hello

Having now gained a better understanding of the right visa to apply for for my husband, I am now addressing the concern of potential racism.

I am white Australian born, I live in London wth my husband who is black British Jamaican, and our son.

On trying to decide on the best place for us to live, we are finding numerous recent reports of racist incitement and violence

Like most people, we want to be near the beach, somewhere not too busy but not too far from the city and we want to live in peace and harmony. We want to be accepted and respected as individuals and as a family.

I personnally am pulled towards north NSW and the Brisbane areas (I am from Perth), but Sydney is more multicultural though expensive. However, most of the racial tension seems to be around Sydney.

Please can anyone give straight up honest advice?

Thank you
Australia is not without racist people and that goes right back to how our own indigenous people were treated from first settlement.
Apart from indigenous people who most people [ who live in cities near coasts ] seldom have association with we are less like the UK and say the USA where there are higher %s of darker skinned people and there is likely more assimilation, there also having been many more years for it to have occurred and to some extent it seems darker skinned peoples from countries like Jaimaica, and in West Indies and Africa have had more opportunity and/or tendency for higher level education.

Any racial tension within the Sydney region is something of a mixed bag affair for whilst there is something of an indigenous enclave centred within the inner suburb of Redfern, you have also got middle/outer suburbs to the west and southwest, there being something of a mix of asian and middle eastern peoples and just like there have always been assimilation difficulties for a lot of people post WW2, it does take time for different cultures to merge and there will be some religious aspects that will always be different.
And then you'll get youth unemployment issues and groups of unemployed youths become gangs and gangs thrive on crime is a bit like it goes anywhere on the planet and Sydney has its share of that, perhaps more so than other cities/regions merely because of population.

But yes, it is also a horribly expensive place to live and NSW has an abundance of coastal towns/smaller cities heading north [ and south ] and likewise Queensland to the south and north of Brisbane.
More international sport and to some extent immigration and local sport is seeing many more darker skinned people from abroad in communities than what there was even twenty years ago and before that it was something of a rarity.

I suppose in a smaller community you might have more of the narrowminded conservative types without there being an overtly racist issue but I do know of various dark skinned peoples employed as medical professionals and though with some refugees being settled in country towns there has been some disapproval issues, by and large I think acceptance in communities far outweighs racist opposition.

Of course you'll want to make a selection based also on work opportunities too and like any newcomer to an area, it could even be a few years to feel settled and even then it will depend on the neighbourhood, your interests and those of others how big a circle of friends you develop.
Many Australians are somewhat transient and my experience is that unless you stay in an area where you keep close contact with those you grew up with, your circle of friends can be somewhat minimal so do not take not having people wanting to know you as necessarily because of race.





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Australia is not without racist people and that goes right back to how our own indigenous people were treated from first settlement.
Apart from indigenous people who most people [ who live in cities near coasts ] seldom have association with we are less like the UK and say the USA where there are higher %s of darker skinned people and there is likely more assimilation, there also having been many more years for it to have occurred and to some extent it seems darker skinned peoples from countries like Jaimaica, and in West Indies and Africa have had more opportunity and/or tendency for higher level education.

Any racial tension within the Sydney region is something of a mixed bag affair for whilst there is something of an indigenous enclave centred within the inner suburb of Redfern, you have also got middle/outer suburbs to the west and southwest, there being something of a mix of asian and middle eastern peoples and just like there have always been assimilation difficulties for a lot of people post WW2, it does take time for different cultures to merge and there will be some religious aspects that will always be different.
And then you'll get youth unemployment issues and groups of unemployed youths become gangs and gangs thrive on crime is a bit like it goes anywhere on the planet and Sydney has its share of that, perhaps more so than other cities/regions merely because of population.

But yes, it is also a horribly expensive place to live and NSW has an abundance of coastal towns/smaller cities heading north [ and south ] and likewise Queensland to the south and north of Brisbane.
More international sport and to some extent immigration and local sport is seeing many more darker skinned people from abroad in communities than what there was even twenty years ago and before that it was something of a rarity.

I suppose in a smaller community you might have more of the narrowminded conservative types without there being an overtly racist issue but I do know of various dark skinned peoples employed as medical professionals and though with some refugees being settled in country towns there has been some disapproval issues, by and large I think acceptance in communities far outweighs racist opposition.

Of course you'll want to make a selection based also on work opportunities too and like any newcomer to an area, it could even be a few years to feel settled and even then it will depend on the neighbourhood, your interests and those of others how big a circle of friends you develop.
Many Australians are somewhat transient and my experience is that unless you stay in an area where you keep close contact with those you grew up with, your circle of friends can be somewhat minimal so do not take not having people wanting to know you as necessarily because of race.
Thank you once again.

I have heard a bit about Redfern and other Sydney suberbs. Sydney doesn't feel right to me instinctively. I think I'm gonna go with my gut instict and look into the Brisbane and south QLD area some more.

Being an Australian is a great privilage, I can't wait to take my family there, Just got to find the right area.

Thank you.


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Thank you once again.

I have heard a bit about Redfern and other Sydney suberbs. Sydney doesn't feel right to me instinctively. I think I'm gonna go with my gut instict and look into the Brisbane and south QLD area some more.

Being an Australian is a great privilage, I can't wait to take my family there, Just got to find the right area.

Thank you.
One thing about south of Brisbane Chayah is that your beaches are restricted to those of lesser quality in protected waters compared to what you may remember of Perth [ called Moreton Bay but not so much a fully enclosed bay as waters sheltered by Moreton and Stradbroke Islands ] until you get down to the Gold Coast about 90 km. away [ and not so peaceful or idyllic there in many respects ]

You're probably aware [ even from Perth ] of its holiday mecca reputation and having lived on the GC myself for a few years either side of 2000, it does have a few aspects you can do without.
Being that holiday mecca, you do have a lot of city standard facilities re shopping, eateries and entertainment at hand and though its traffic peak is nothing like what a capital city like Sydney or Melbourne or even Brisbane or Perth is, it is certainly catching up and because of its layout with waterway realestate reclaimed from swampy lowlands, there are limitations to just how much can be provided in the way of access to the actual coastal strip and so it continually expands to further out west away from the coast.
Some more suburbia type developments are downright bloody awful [ and have some of those Sydney western suburbs less desirable traits ] though more on the southern gold coast you have some reasonable hinterland areas with acreage developments and less traffic to contend with.

All up, my money would be on the northside from Brisbane with something less of traffic if looking to get to the CBD and areas like the Redcliff Peninsula, perhaps even Bribie Island or Caloundra and even the Sunshine Coast offering a better lifestyle of beaches and peacefulness [ as much as you can get it so close to civilisation ].





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Hi Chayah

I've lived on the Gold Coast for over twenty years and can confidently say, your husband will feel safe and accepted here! It's a great place to live.

I'm with WANDERER on his advice to you. Either GC or north of Brisbane, especially the Sunshine Coast. Avoid going inland on the Sunshine Coast. These are very much more conservative and people there tend to be a little insular in their outlook.

Along the coasts you'll be happy :-)

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In a multicultural environment there will always be instances or racial discrimination or hostility. However, this is rare in Australia - you would expect more of it in Europe. I am a migrant from Poland, my wife is a migrant from China. I work among native, usually white Australians. I have never suffered any racial or any other discrimination and neither has she (although we can feel that Asians are not exactly loved by many Aussies).


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One thing about south of Brisbane Chayah is that your beaches are restricted to those of lesser quality in protected waters compared to what you may remember of Perth [ called Moreton Bay but not so much a fully enclosed bay as waters sheltered by Moreton and Stradbroke Islands ] until you get down to the Gold Coast about 90 km. away [ and not so peaceful or idyllic there in many respects ]

You're probably aware [ even from Perth ] of its holiday mecca reputation and having lived on the GC myself for a few years either side of 2000, it does have a few aspects you can do without.
Being that holiday mecca, you do have a lot of city standard facilities re shopping, eateries and entertainment at hand and though its traffic peak is nothing like what a capital city like Sydney or Melbourne or even Brisbane or Perth is, it is certainly catching up and because of its layout with waterway realestate reclaimed from swampy lowlands, there are limitations to just how much can be provided in the way of access to the actual coastal strip and so it continually expands to further out west away from the coast.
Some more suburbia type developments are downright bloody awful [ and have some of those Sydney western suburbs less desirable traits ] though more on the southern gold coast you have some reasonable hinterland areas with acreage developments and less traffic to contend with.

All up, my money would be on the northside from Brisbane with something less of traffic if looking to get to the CBD and areas like the Redcliff Peninsula, perhaps even Bribie Island or Caloundra and even the Sunshine Coast offering a better lifestyle of beaches and peacefulness [ as much as you can get it so close to civilisation ].
Yep, I like the areas that you have mentioned. As for the holiday mecca thing, even here in England I lived on the East coast in a sea side town for about 8 years and the nightmares that being flooded by tourists can bring are still alive in my mind. However, thankfully, Australia is bigger, more beautiful and so much more worth it! And I'm sure not as manic.

I really appreciate your feedback, I was starting to feel a bit dis-heartened and like maybe having to settle for life forever here in the UK (not ideal!) but I am feeling much more optimistic again.

Thank you.


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Hi Chayah

I've lived on the Gold Coast for over twenty years and can confidently say, your husband will feel safe and accepted here! It's a great place to live.

I'm with WANDERER on his advice to you. Either GC or north of Brisbane, especially the Sunshine Coast. Avoid going inland on the Sunshine Coast. These are very much more conservative and people there tend to be a little insular in their outlook.

Along the coasts you'll be happy :-)

Wishing you all the best
I really appreciate your feedback, I was starting to feel a bit dis-heartened and like maybe having to settle for life forever here in the UK (so not ideal!) but I am feeling much more optimistic again.

Is the GC/SC multicultural areas or are the people just far more friendly and down to earth? We are not necessarlily too concerned with being in a multi-cultural area (though it would be a bonus) we just want to live.

I am looking at different areas along the gold coast and the sunshine coast but which would you say is the most affordable, family friendly, yet not too sleepy place with a great beach? The beach is very important to me, I love to walk and talk to God along the beach, a bit of liveliness is also important to my husband, he like to stay active and be sociable, so does our 12 year old for that fact.

The move is also very important as here in England I suffer with S.A.D (Seasonal Affective Dissorder) and I desperately long the warm Australian sunshine.

Thannk you so much again.


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In a multicultural environment there will always be instances or racial discrimination or hostility. However, this is rare in Australia - you would expect more of it in Europe. I am a migrant from Poland, my wife is a migrant from China. I work among native, usually white Australians. I have never suffered any racial or any other discrimination and neither has she (although we can feel that Asians are not exactly loved by many Aussies).

Thank you so much.

Europe definatley has its racism and predjudices, especially in the police. Me myself, my husband and our son have all experienced racism in different horrible forms here in England. The only difference is that it is so very culturally diverse here that racism has become a sly and quiet thing that is disguised by fake smiles. I guess in Australia, it's just the thought of having that on a more open and out numbered scale.

Do you mind me asking what area you guys live in?

All that said, your re-assurance has been a big contributer to a re-newed confidence in my desire to go back home to Australia with my family.
So a really big thank you. This has been a major issue for me, really wanting to go back home but being unsure for my husband and son, after all, the move is so that we all can be happier as a family and as individuals.

Thanks again, and all the best.


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I'd not say the GC/SC are necessarily more multicultural than Sydney or other cities and if anything possibly less so for more people have always settled down in Sydney or Melbourne regions with Queensland being something of a late bloomer re growth and has at times been regarded as something of a rednecks state.

It has been more warmer climate for retirement that started off a lot of more permanent moves and then there were always the stories of people from the south, more so than Victoria getting up there and not liking it and moving back south.
The humidity can take time to acclimatise to and unlike places further south of the equator or as in Europe, further north you do not get the significantly longer summer nights, especially as you do with daylight saving which Queensland has never had and never looks like getting.
The upshot of that is you do not get winter days where it is still dark after 6am. and the days themselves in winter can be more like a southern Oz or European autumn.
With milder winters and humid but not necessarily hotter summers you've probably got bugs about more often but having come from a southern colder climate myself most of my life it's easy enough to handle life in the north, nearly shorts all year round.

With the GC in particular being more so the destination for foreign visitors, you do get people from a lot of different countries about whereas north of Brisbane it is becoming more settled with permanent residents either wanting out of Brisbane or perhaps even the GC for the GC is becoming more and more high rise territory with each passing year.
The northern regions used to be more of sleepier backwaters but these days it is a lot more active though not entirely big city active.
The GC also has a reputation of being something of a transient population area and just like anywhere you can have longer term locals not really so much open at all even as far as neighbours go.
My wife and I met more friendly people walking our dogs in the local park than what we had as nearest neighbours though we got on well with others nearby, ironically one couple where an Aussie guy had married a Japanese girl and another couple being South Africans ex New Zealand.

Queensland is becoming popular with NZers too, both of caucasian and Maoris races and though you do get more isolated racist things happening from time to time, I do not think it is such a big thing in Australia aside from a few areas.

An interesting example I had once was having a walk on our local beach myself [ small town well north of Brisbane but becoming more popular ] I noticed a really black as black can be girl sitting a bit apart from other beach goers and there having been something in news about then, I approached her to see if she was finding racism issues in Australia and whether that was why she was sitting apart.
Oh no!, she answered in this real cockney accent that dark skinned people seem to have in England more so than the white english and then she told me of how she had some casual work over in Perth [ yes, Perth ] in a social security office I think it might have been [ ironically ] and it was another dark skinned person who gave her a bit of a time of it!

A german girl once told me of her volunteering in Alice Springs at an indigenous child minding centre and it was half caste children who were really treated badly by the full blood indigenous and because she had showed interest in their welfare she was threatened by some indigenous people [ to the extent she left AS ]

So racism does make its appearances in various ways!

A great way to meet people other than sports is get yourself a dog or dogs[ especially one from the RSPCA or Animal Welfare ] and have regular walks with it or them.

And you will find the SSC with more affordable options though right on the beach at either GC or SSC can be prohibitively expensive.





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