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Bay56 06-16-2014 03:39 PM

Guys, go easy.

He's not ignorant, at least not by what I can judge from this page only. As hard as it is, most of us chose to come here. You don't just come and get benefits offered to you, there is nothing that you're entitled to when it comes to entering the workforce. While the job market is something where you will be heavily judged and everyone should get used to, making spelling mistakes or grammar mistakes within a post and claiming you can work as a 'highly skilled professional' will not land you that job. Almost always there will be more candidates than jobs offered and employers will be able to be as picky as they wish so they can hire the right people. There's nobody to complain to, the only thing you can do is perfect your skills/resume and try again. You've got someone offering you something (a job) and you meet their demands by offering the skills that you've got, once both interests align you score a job. It's not a matter of us 'stealing their jobs' or them being ignorant, it's just the tough nature of the labour market. If you get rejected, don't take it personal. Constructive criticism is what yields results in the end.

rhirhi 06-16-2014 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Bay56 (Post 488386)
Guys, go easy. He's not ignorant, at least not by what I can judge from this page only..

Forgive me for not taking kindly to someone insinuating a 'typical Aussie' is ignorant.

Bay56 06-16-2014 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by rhirhi (Post 488402)
Forgive me for not taking kindly to someone insinuating a 'typical Aussie' is ignorant.

In my laziness to quote people correctly, I probably did not get my point across with that post. In the end it is 2 am, and the World Cup is on so multitasking is pretty demanding :)

The 'go easy, he's not ignorant' part was referring to people blaming aussiesteve for being ignorant. I was not defending the other person insinuating a typical Aussie bloke is an ignorant one. Apologies if I didn't state that clearly.

Anyway, the point I wanted to make was that regardless of what people say, the job market is unforgiving and there's no room for if's or but's. It's just the way it is, adapt and survive, applies to both domestic and foreign applicants.

img68 06-16-2014 06:11 PM

My personal experience with australians is extremely disappointing, not only from a job search point of view. I have been several times rejected and hurt, very subtly and in a very hypocritical way, despite all my efforts to adapt and integrate with the australians. All I can say is that I am very, very unhappy here and extremely depressed.

Anyway, my next move will be to change on my CV my foreign surname with the very Anglosaxon surname of my husband and thanks to my very young look (I am told I look 10 years younger than average female australian of my age) change the birthdate (!!!) and see the results ;)
Maybe I will get a phone call back, instead of those polite e-mails of rejection.

rhirhi 06-16-2014 07:13 PM

I can't pretend I'm not offended by these comments.....it surprises me the amount of people of here who quickly generalize. I am Australian and I would not consider myself a hypocrite or a racist. I have a clearly foreign last name and can't say I've experienced more than harmless jokes in regards to my name.

While I acknowledge certain people may have a qualification in their previous country or even previous experience in that country it cannot be simply expected in every situation that you immigrate to a country and slide straight into a job. If Australians have to meet a certain standard, so does everyone else. If you want something in my opinion you have to work for it, and it that means re training then so be it. There is no free higher education in Australia, not even for Australians.

Fortunately for you, you do not have to continue being so unhappy, depressed and disappointed with Australia/Australians....no one is chaining you to Australia and you can leave at any time.

consensual 06-16-2014 08:49 PM

I was attacked by the "senior members" of this forum which I think does not allow the truth to be voiced out.
I have been sensing this for some time now for this forum.
The reputation from Australia if is really good as what Internet is said should be thankful to this bunch of people who might be paid to do the wonderful work.

Please stop to response to my post. I do not deserve to be KO for saying things in my mind. Bye bye.

Mish 06-16-2014 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by img68 (Post 488450)
Anyway, my next move will be to change on my CV my foreign surname with the very Anglosaxon surname of my husband and thanks to my very young look (I am told I look 10 years younger than average female australian of my age) change the birthdate (!!!) and see the results ;)
Maybe I will get a phone call back, instead of those polite e-mails of rejection.

Maybe some of your problem is your resume. It doesn't sound like yout resume is Australianised as we don't have our date of birth on our resumes.

You also need to look at what is on your resume. As in if your degree is not recognised in Australia don't put it on the resume. If you have a degree and going for entry level jobs don't put your degree on the resume.

Mish 06-16-2014 09:52 PM

I just wanted to say maybe people should look at their resumes and make sure they are Australianised. We don't have date of birth, martial status, religion etc on our resume.

My husband's resume has never had any of those things on his resume but he has a few different skills as soon as I changed his resume around he started getting all these phone calls! Also he can't change his surname because he is male lol.

Another option for people is to do a short course to help get employed in Australia. Also there are a few courses out there for temporary residents that you can do that falls under the certificate 3 guarantee program.

img68 06-16-2014 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by rhirhi (Post 488482)
If Australians have to meet a certain standard, so does everyone else. If you want something in my opinion you have to work for it, and it that means re training then so be it. There is no free higher education in Australia, not even for Australians.

Fortunately for you, you do not have to continue being so unhappy, depressed and disappointed with Australia/Australians....no one is chaining you to Australia and you can leave at any time.

AH the warm welcoming style of the australians! :rolleyes:
Your answer is really reinforcing my bad experience on Australians.

I though this forum was a place to exchange freely opinions, that sometimes could be negative or angry or expression of frustration, since immigration and loneliness are a hard situation to bear. Immigrants are not allowed to be grumpy or angry or disappointed? Even when we feel depressed? :confused:

About australian "standards":
my husband sometimes has to interview applicants (with university degrees). Well, most of the CVs he received from the 100% australian education applicants were crap, poorly written, full of mistakes. He ended up by hiring a japanese applicant who had a japanese education and japanese experience... and was able to communicate in English better than the local counterparts!
Clear example of equal opportunities for immigrants on workplace, little detail: my husband is 50% from US, and he was brought up there, so he has a different mindset. Unfortunately he can't hire me.

About my CV:
it has been written in a very professional standard and revised by someone in HR. No birthdate on my CV, of course, but the starting date of the work experience can tell a lot about your age! Anyway my remark was ironical and a bit cynical. I admit that my sense of humor could be weird.

Let's go back to my frustration:
I am saying that I am very frustrated and angry and depressed because I am doing all my best to integrate here, with results that are less than zero. I came here with great curiosity, great respect and high expectations on Australia and Australians. I just can't find the key to be accepted by australians and the only truly friendly people are expats.

The work problem:
My age is a problem, my lack of australian experience is a problem, even if my international experience and skills would be a valuable asset in my sector. I tried volunteer work, I had to beg for volunteer jobs, where they asked for references in my country. Come on, let's be serious, references for organising events for charities, for free?? :eek:

I am expressing all my frustration and what is the answer here: to go home?? :mad:

I do wish I could.
I am tired of being rejected, humiliated and left alone.

I have lived and worked in different countries in Europe and never ever had as much problems as in this country. I understand that this time the problem is mine: I do have different cultural and living standards and high expectations. I just can't adapt.

img68 06-16-2014 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mish (Post 488538)

Another option for people is to do a short course to help get employed in Australia. Also there are a few courses out there for temporary residents that you can do that falls under the certificate 3 guarantee program.

Thank you for your suggestions.
I had a look at TAFE courses, they are terribly expensive: are they worth it?
Are your referring to something else?


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