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Old 08-12-2011, 05:51 AM
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I have lived in Australia for 70 years, in fact all of my life, great place to grow up, people that migrate to Australia should have a strong desire to assimilate with the people that already live here, just hope it stays like it is now and doesn't end up like Europe.


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Old 08-14-2011, 09:38 AM
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Hi and welcome,
That's a bit of a sweeping statement about Europe don't you think?


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Old 08-14-2011, 09:33 PM
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Hi and welcome,
That's a bit of a sweeping statement about Europe don't you think?
Hi SarahM
Thanks for the welcome, yes it was a sweeping statement about Europe but there was a lot of Countries to list separately, however I can list some for you now, Russia, Germany, Britian, France, Spain.
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Old 08-15-2011, 12:02 PM
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I guess I can only comment on France as it is the only place apart from Australia that I know well.

While there are problems in France (as any country has its own problems) in regards to some of the population, notably amongst some of the Maghreb, the problems are very much political/cultural and not down exactly to a desire to not assimilate.

What I mean is that what the French government currently perceives as 'at risk', is the secular tradition of the French republic. Secularlism is very much a product of France's history, and since it was really developed during the Revolution it hasn't changed much except to become stricter in regards to the display of religious affiliation.

The thing is that the Muslim population in France mostly come from countries in which religion and politics are one and the same (from non-secular states). Religion is culture, religion is daily life for them. So in France some find it difficult to live in a country where religion is considered private. I think these people want to assimilate, but they are questioning the nature of French secularlism, and would want less restrictions on religious affiliation (such as being about to wear religious items in schools).

Now, among the debates about how French secularlism should be implemented, some French people themselves question how things are being dealt with at the moment.

I do not think that France should be forced or threatened into changing it's long-standing political position because of the newer French people who do not share all of the same secular values as the majority, but I don't think we can just say that they don't want to be French.

Sorry for the rant, I guess what I really wanted to say that it's not so black and white (assimilation/dissimilation). Oh, but that's not to say that some people really don't want to assimilate! There are some truly horrible people I met in France, who claim allegiance to Algeria while saying that they spit on France


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