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Hello everyone,

A little help would be highly appreciated:

Today after waiting for exactly seven weeks for my tourist visa, - 600 (family stream), not the family sponsored - I received a refusal letter. The reason specified for the refusal is I do not satisfy the 600.211(c) in schedule 2 of the Migration Regulations, which basically is (c) any other relevant matter.
The case officer keeps repeating itself, throughout the letter, stressing on this:

"You have not provided sufficient evidence of your circumstances to demonstrate strong personal, employment or financial incentives to return to your home country after your intended visit with your application."

I had provided, letters of employment from the two jobs with length and contact details of the organisations. I had also provided, ownership details of some assets, I own, including a business. I have travelled, extensively in South Asia, due to the nature of my job, I am a journalist. I have lived in Australia for six years and have abided by all the visa requirements. I also had a letter of invitation from my wife and many more documents. My eight-year-old daughter is crushed, as I can not visit her anymore, as she had made plans for my visit.

I'm currently waiting for the outcome of 309/100, applied early this year. I had applied for 600 because I wanted to celebrate my 10th anniversary, which falls on 10th October. I had mentioned and linked the medicals, police clearance with this 600 from the 309/100 application. I had applied for three months visa, because, I have job commitments and could not take more than 6 weeks off.

I was wondering if I'm doing something wrong, or what exactly constitutes as "strong" incentives to return? And what should be my step forward from this?

Thank you everyone.
 

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Hello everyone,

A little help would be highly appreciated:

Today after waiting for exactly seven weeks for my tourist visa, - 600 (family stream), not the family sponsored - I received a refusal letter. The reason specified for the refusal is I do not satisfy the 600.211(c) in schedule 2 of the Migration Regulations, which basically is (c) any other relevant matter.
The case officer keeps repeating itself, throughout the letter, stressing on this:

"You have not provided sufficient evidence of your circumstances to demonstrate strong personal, employment or financial incentives to return to your home country after your intended visit with your application."

I had provided, letters of employment from the two jobs with length and contact details of the organisations. I had also provided, ownership details of some assets, I own, including a business. I have travelled, extensively in South Asia, due to the nature of my job, I am a journalist. I have lived in Australia for six years and have abided by all the visa requirements. I also had a letter of invitation from my wife and many more documents. My eight-year-old daughter is crushed, as I can not visit her anymore, as she had made plans for my visit.

I'm currently waiting for the outcome of 309/100, applied early this year. I had applied for 600 because I wanted to celebrate my 10th anniversary, which falls on 10th October. I had mentioned and linked the medicals, police clearance with this 600 from the 309/100 application. I had applied for three months visa, because, I have job commitments and could not take more than 6 weeks off.

I was wondering if I'm doing something wrong, or what exactly constitutes as "strong" incentives to return? And what should be my step forward from this?

Thank you everyone.
Hi, Im sorry to hear about the refusal. I feel you. My only advise to you is to apply again. Make sure you address everything mentioned in the Decision Record accordingly. To the best of my knowledge, (RMAs please correct me if I'm wrong here :)...The FA600 Tourist Visa Stream , Sub class 600 Tourist stream visa allows one to visit a de facto partner, as it was mentioned in the Migration Regulations 1994, 257, Compilation No 173, Compilation Date 16/2/16, Registered 19/2/16. Also, i don't think you can appeal the refusal.

Please try to apply again. Good Luck :)
 

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Thanks, truthfully247 for your advice. Though, I have been given the review/appeal rights with that. But does that help, considering the fee is almost A$1800.

I do intend to try again, maybe go through a lawyer this time.
 

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Thanks, truthfully247 for your advice. Though, I have been given the review/appeal rights with that. But does that help, considering the fee is almost A$1800.

I do intend to try again, maybe go through a lawyer this time.
May i ask how much it cost for you to apply the FA600? its online right ?

Good luck with the application ok :)
 

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Which nationality/ country of residence?
 

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It cost me A$140 for the visa fee, (not taking into consideration the documentation costs).

And yes, I applied online via immigration account.
Its good if you can afford a migration agent. Sorry for asking again, what documentation costs did you have to come up with ? i had personal experience with FA600 myself , and even not from a high risk country i got knocked back due to the 'did not satisfy' clause , but i applied again and addressed the issues stated in the decision record. I may not know your situation coz it isn't a one size fits all scenario.

Keep us updated if you don't mind .. and again good luck:)
 

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Hello everyone,

A little help would be highly appreciated:

Today after waiting for exactly seven weeks for my tourist visa, - 600 (family stream), not the family sponsored - I received a refusal letter. The reason specified for the refusal is I do not satisfy the 600.211(c) in schedule 2 of the Migration Regulations, which basically is (c) any other relevant matter.
The case officer keeps repeating itself, throughout the letter, stressing on this:

"You have not provided sufficient evidence of your circumstances to demonstrate strong personal, employment or financial incentives to return to your home country after your intended visit with your application."

I had provided, letters of employment from the two jobs with length and contact details of the organisations. I had also provided, ownership details of some assets, I own, including a business. I have travelled, extensively in South Asia, due to the nature of my job, I am a journalist. I have lived in Australia for six years and have abided by all the visa requirements. I also had a letter of invitation from my wife and many more documents. My eight-year-old daughter is crushed, as I can not visit her anymore, as she had made plans for my visit.

I'm currently waiting for the outcome of 309/100, applied early this year. I had applied for 600 because I wanted to celebrate my 10th anniversary, which falls on 10th October. I had mentioned and linked the medicals, police clearance with this 600 from the 309/100 application. I had applied for three months visa, because, I have job commitments and could not take more than 6 weeks off.

I was wondering if I'm doing something wrong, or what exactly constitutes as "strong" incentives to return? And what should be my step forward from this?

Thank you everyone.
Sorry tkzlone, i read your post again and personally (just my opinion) , try applying again. As what i suggested earlier, Address each and every issue raised in the decision record. You seemed to have provided so much evidence to support your visit and returning to home country after the visit plus you are waiting for 309/100 visa. Frustrates me that you have to go thru this.
 

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Sorry tkzlone, i read your post again and personally (just my opinion) , try applying again. As what i suggested earlier, Address each and every issue raised in the decision record. You seemed to have provided so much evidence to support your visit and returning to home country after the visit plus you are waiting for 309/100 visa. Frustrates me that you have to go thru this.
That is the thing, she (CO) has not mentioned anything I need to address, all she has stated while repeating throughout the letter, I do not believe you have "strong" incentives to return home.

This is what she has written:

My decision is based on the following factors
You have not provided sufficient evidence of your circumstances to demonstrate strong personal, employment or financial incentives to return to your home country after your intended visit with your application.
I find that you have not demonstrated sufficiently strong financial, personal, employment or other commitments in your home country that would be an incentive for you to return after your visit.
I am not satisfied that you genuinely intend to stay temporarily in Australia for the purpose you have stated, and therefore find that you do not satisfy Subclause 600.211 of the Migration Regulations 1994.
 

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That is the thing, she (CO) has not mentioned anything I need to address, all she has stated while repeating throughout the letter, I do not believe you have "strong" incentives to return home.

This is what she has written:

My decision is based on the following factors
You have not provided sufficient evidence of your circumstances to demonstrate strong personal, employment or financial incentives to return to your home country after your intended visit with your application.
I find that you have not demonstrated sufficiently strong financial, personal, employment or other commitments in your home country that would be an incentive for you to return after your visit.
I am not satisfied that you genuinely intend to stay temporarily in Australia for the purpose you have stated, and therefore find that you do not satisfy Subclause 600.211 of the Migration Regulations 1994.
I have some suggestions on how to respond to that, if you can PM me i don't mind sharing how i did mine and send you some of my documents for reference.
 

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They do not give all reasons for refusal - we had several things mentioned over the phone that were not in refusal letter/s.

You really need to know the current policy, for that you need access to things such as PAM3 (this is referred to in your refusal letter) basically this is not a publicly available document - but is how Case Officers should make decisions on your application.
 

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They do not give all reasons for refusal - we had several things mentioned over the phone that were not in refusal letter/s.

You really need to know the current policy, for that you need access to things such as PAM3 (this is referred to in your refusal letter) basically this is not a publicly available document - but is how Case Officers should make decisions on your application.
Is it possible to contact them over the phone and ask for the refusal reason? Also is it possible to access the PAM3 document? If it's, how can I access it? Google search is not revealing anything, in terms of the said document.

Thank you for your suggestions.
 

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Is it possible to contact them over the phone and ask for the refusal reason? Also is it possible to access the PAM3 document? If it's, how can I access it? Google search is not revealing anything, in terms of the said document.

Thank you for your suggestions.
It is impossible at some places to contact "them" over the phone at some embassies now but you can try. You need to speak to a position of Second Secretary to be of any good use.

I have posted an old PAM 3 before for Visitor Visas you can search that - other than that only immigration staff and RMA's have current subscriptions.
 

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Hi every one. I have a similar situation. My husband moved back to Australia last year in January after working in my home country for over 17 years. We have been married for 15years. I am Zambia and he is Australian.
At time he moved back, I was on a 3 year multiple entry visa which was expiring in November 2017. So I came to visit him on that visa in June 2017. In August we both went out to Malaysia on holiday and I travelled back with him in September. In October I went to visit my daughter in Hong Kong. My visa expired while I was in Hong Kong.
We applied for a visitor visa which was refused, but on appeal, was granted a 6 month visa and we were verbally advised to apply for a Partner visa.
My visitor visa was granted in Feb.2018 and I visited my husband and stayed for about two months and I did that a few times, travelling between Perth and Hong Kong. At this point , we were ready financially to put in the Partner visa which we did. My 6 month visa expired in August 2018, and I was out of Australia already. So we applied for sub class 600 to enable me visit.
This has now been refused main reason being that I am trying to establish residence in Australia on a tourist/visitor visa. It all appears like the officer feels I did not utilise my visas correctly and I do not satisfy the relevant imm clause and so must refuse the visa.

I am surprised that she can say that because I believe I was allowed entry because my imm status was valid and I never overstayed in Australia.
She also mentioned that ' I spent more time in Autralia than outside' whuch is totally incorrect. Other readon is that she thinks I have no intention to return to leave Australia.
Can someone help me understand this please.
Thank you.
 

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At the time they tell you to apply for a more appropriate visa (Partner Visa) you should expect they will either refuse you entry next time you arrive even if on a valid visa or refuse you the same type of visa (Visitor Visa) if you apply for one again.

They keep notes on your file of things such as the verbal warning.

You seem to have taken a very important thing not very seriously. PAM 3 states that you can not use Visitor Visas as a rolling visa and it seems they believe you were doing this.

Your best option is to contact a Registered Migration Agent and see if they can put forward a Visitor Visa application that MAY get approved - or you may be left with the only option being a 309 offshore Partner Visa application.
 
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