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HI. I printed of the 47SP form a couple off weeks ago just as a draft to look through and prepare myself for some questions. On the online form it states ?When the relationship started? and another question ?when did we become de-facto? (along those lines) which was good because I used the 2 different dates from being in a relationship then commencing a defacto relationship.

Now I am starting my ap on the online version and the only question I have came across is ?Date relationship started? am I suppose to put when we first started being together? or When we commenced to de-facto? We where together for 7 months prior to becoming ?de-facto? so surely I don?t just ignore those 7 months?


We started being together Feb 2016 and commenced to de-facto Dec 2016. A lot of My evidence I?m using is between those months photos, cards etc - although my joint bank account was opened in Dec.
 

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Pretty sure its when you considered yourselves defacto.
 

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De facto date. If you put anything before then, they'll ask for de facto evidence since that date. Not having it will look like you're lying on your app. So it's the date you can prove your de facto relationship started.

Feel free to upload evidence of dating before then if you want to prove how the relationship developed.
 

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De facto date. If you put anything before then, they'll ask for de facto evidence since that date. Not having it will look like you're lying on your app. So it's the date you can prove your de facto relationship started.

Feel free to upload evidence of dating before then if you want to prove how the relationship developed.
Agree with Sky. For a 309/820 this would be the best option to be safe.
 

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This was actually a question I had been asking myself as of late!

Thanks for all the answers, everyone, even though I'm not the OP.

And since we're here (I don't want to hijack the thread) but I had a question as well. My partner and I met online in October 2015, started a relationship that month and dated online/skype until she arrived in Canada in March of 2016. I know our de facto date is March 2016, that's easy.

But on the application it asks (and I'm paraphrasing here) "when did you begin an exclusive relationship" - For that I've put the date we decided to date. And then it asks "When did you first meet in person?" - Obviously, I'm going to be honest and tell them our first in person meeting was when she arrived in Canada. But is that something I can put into a statement in the development of the relationship and in the question box for this say "please refer to document_name.pdf"?
 

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This was actually a question I had been asking myself as of late!

Thanks for all the answers, everyone, even though I'm not the OP.

And since we're here (I don't want to hijack the thread) but I had a question as well. My partner and I met online in October 2015, started a relationship that month and dated online/skype until she arrived in Canada in March of 2016. I know our de facto date is March 2016, that's easy.

But on the application it asks (and I'm paraphrasing here) "when did you begin an exclusive relationship" - For that I've put the date we decided to date. And then it asks "When did you first meet in person?" - Obviously, I'm going to be honest and tell them our first in person meeting was when she arrived in Canada. But is that something I can put into a statement in the development of the relationship and in the question box for this say "please refer to document_name.pdf"?
A couple of issues with that...

1. This date is intended for the beginning of the de facto relationship. People have put the date they began dating rather than de facto but naturally only provided de facto evidence for the time they were de facto. You can see how it would look like lying to a CO when they ask for de facto evidence from the date you stated in your app (which they have for people) and you cannot provide it. This date is also important for deciding on if a person has been in a long term de facto relationship and if they're eligible to go straight to PR. If you can't provide de facto evidence from the date you put in that question, you shouldn't use that date. But this is just my personal opinion after reading other users experiences on this forum.

2. According to the fact sheet FAQs, "My partner and I met over the internet and we established a close relationship before we had physically met. Can the time since we began our relationship before meeting be considered as part of the relationship requirement period?

No."

Source: https://www.border.gov.au/about/corporate/information/fact-sheets/35relationship

It probably won't matter as you're not putting a date 3 years prior to your app, but I don't think it counts at all anyway because you hadn't met in person yet. Let us know how it goes though for future reference.
 

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I just had a quick look over my application.

There are 2 questions, one asks "date relationship began" and then "date committed de facto relationship began"...

And as Eh? said there's one asking when the applicant and sponsor met in person.

I don't know the questions numbers as it's the "record of responses" that I'm looking at.

So I assume they want evidence from the date supplied for "date committed de facto relationship began", right?
 

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Sorry to jump into the thread but I have a very similar question!

My partner is just starting to fill out the 40SP form (So it's easy for me to input once I've paid for my application)

Under 'Relationship details' It asks for relationship status. Obviously we are ticking 'De Facto' but next to it, it says 'Date relationship began'
Do I put the date it actually began which is December 2014 or Defacto date which would be November 2015?

Thanks for your help!!
 

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Sorry to jump into the thread but I have a very similar question!

My partner is just starting to fill out the 40SP form (So it's easy for me to input once I've paid for my application)

Under 'Relationship details' It asks for relationship status. Obviously we are ticking 'De Facto' but next to it, it says 'Date relationship began'
Do I put the date it actually began which is December 2014 or Defacto date which would be November 2015?

Thanks for your help!!
That was exaclty 100% the question I?m asking!! Apparently there?s another question asking for actual defacto date which I have not yet came across...
 

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Sorry to jump into the thread but I have a very similar question!

My partner is just starting to fill out the 40SP form (So it's easy for me to input once I've paid for my application)

Under 'Relationship details' It asks for relationship status. Obviously we are ticking 'De Facto' but next to it, it says 'Date relationship began'
Do I put the date it actually began which is December 2014 or Defacto date which would be November 2015?

Thanks for your help!!
The question has already been answered by SkyBlueBrewer and others above

De facto date. If you put anything before then, they'll ask for de facto evidence since that date. Not having it will look like you're lying on your app. So it's the date you can prove your de facto relationship started.

Feel free to upload evidence of dating before then if you want to prove how the relationship developed.
 

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This is the question I was referring to where it asks for the date of when the committed de facto relationship began, if it's any help to anyone (boxes are only there to hide personal info).
 

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I think that SkyBlueBrewer gave a good explanation.

Below is a screenshot from my completed 40SP form (after submitting it).

For the date we first met, I have listed the date that we first physically met each other. It is not the date that we started dating / started a relationship. It just shows how long we've known each other.

For the question about being in a committed relationship, I listed the date that we started living together. We were committed before that time, but the dafacto date was an easier date to prove in terms of evidence (joint bills, mail to the same address etc.)

I understand that figuring out dates may be more complicated if you met online. But they do ask specifically if you have met in person.
 

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A couple of issues with that...

1. This date is intended for the beginning of the de facto relationship. People have put the date they began dating rather than de facto but naturally only provided de facto evidence for the time they were de facto. You can see how it would look like lying to a CO when they ask for de facto evidence from the date you stated in your app (which they have for people) and you cannot provide it. This date is also important for deciding on if a person has been in a long term de facto relationship and if they're eligible to go straight to PR. If you can't provide de facto evidence from the date you put in that question, you shouldn't use that date. But this is just my personal opinion after reading other users experiences on this forum.
Yeah, I could totally see how that would raise a flag to DIBP and make the application look like it's not genuine. Something I don't intend to do. So, for our de facto date, it's the date she moved to Canada and the day she moved in with me. It also happens to be the first time we had met in person. So I was just sort of confused.

2. According to the fact sheet FAQs, "My partner and I met over the internet and we established a close relationship before we had physically met. Can the time since we began our relationship before meeting be considered as part of the relationship requirement period?

No."

Source: https://www.border.gov.au/about/corporate/information/fact-sheets/35relationship

It probably won't matter as you're not putting a date 3 years prior to your app, but I don't think it counts at all anyway because you hadn't met in person yet. Let us know how it goes though for future reference.
I knew this much from others posts on the forums, so that's not a problem. I will simply put our de facto date as that's the date we have the evidence starting from. In the history of the relationship the CO will see that we met online, began dating online and commenced our de facto relationship when she moved to Canada. I have to keep telling myself that people meet online regularly and that the CO's assigned to cases probably see it more often than not.

Thanks for the clarification, Sky! Helpful as always. :D
 
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