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Hi everyone. I am an English teacher at a state school in Turkey. I can speak and teach English as much as a native speaker does. Obviously, my degree will be assessed successfully and obtaining 189 visa is doable. The question is, do you guys think I can find a job in a state or private school?
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They have too many teachers and not enough jobs in capital cities. Awhile ago they were trying to get older teachers to resign/retire to make way for young ones but it wasn't successful.

I would think that you need your degree also assessed by the education board in the state you will live in to become registered as a teacher.
 

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It could be more than awhile it all depends on the job market. Nobody can tell you how long it willl take but if you teach something other than English like maths, science etc then your chances increase.
 

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And a question from me, another English teacher with a BA degree in "English Language Teaching"

Do we qualify as secondary school teachers or TESOL teachers in Australia? Our degree is obviously more than just a TESOL certificate program, at least mine. I don't know about mustea1992's but my degree is in education with a specialisation in teaching English. But I still don't know if I qualify as a secondary school teacher because my occupation is to teach English to people who don't speak it natively.

Here's the thread I started on this matter but I couldn't get an answer to that question:
http://www.australiaforum.com/visas-immigration/220338-secondary-school-teacher-189-a.html
 

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And a question from me, another English teacher with a BA degree in "English Language Teaching"

Do we qualify as secondary school teachers or TESOL teachers in Australia? Our degree is obviously more than just a TESOL certificate program, at least mine. I don't know about mustea1992's but my degree is in education with a specialisation in teaching English. But I still don't know if I qualify as a secondary school teacher because my occupation is to teach English to people who don't speak it natively.

Here's the thread I started on this matter but I couldn't get an answer to that question:
http://www.australiaforum.com/visas-immigration/220338-secondary-school-teacher-189-a.html
It all depends on what your degree is in. Do you have an English degree? Have you been teaching English as a Second Language, or have you been teaching secondary English classes (Language arts/literature/grammar)? That makes a huge difference. If you have been teaching secondary English (language arts) and your degree is in English, then you will need assessing done via AITSL. If you are teaching English as a second language, you will need to be assessed under another agency (can't recall off the top of my head). And it wouldn't be necessarily under the secondary teacher code. It's listed on the immi website. Plus, if you do a search on this forum, you should have a few things come up in regards to teaching.

Hi everyone. I am an English teacher at a state school in Turkey. I can speak and teach English as much as a native speaker does. Obviously, my degree will be assessed successfully and obtaining 189 visa is doable. The question is, do you guys think I can find a job in a state or private school?
Thanks in advance.
As for teaching jobs...I'm a secondary English teacher from the US (English/Language Arts). I am in WA. I had no problems finding a teaching job here. However, I live in a country town, so I will tell you be prepared to teach rural/bush. If you are willing to do that, you shouldn't have a problem getting a job. Relief teaching is always an option, as a lot of schools need relief teachers and you'd be likely to work pretty much every day (my brother in law is a Phys Ed Teacher in Perth and that's how he started off). Also, take the time to look over Australian Resumes and Covering Letters. They are much different than what I was used to in the United States and I had to completely redo mine. Please be advised that you also have to get certified with that state's teaching accreditation. Here in WA that is TRBWA. You will also need a Working With Children Check, as well as your foreign police checks and an AFP check.

Make sure you understand AITSL requirements. You must have been enrolled in a teaching program and have completed At Least 45 days of student teaching in order to be assessed as a Teacher in Australia.
 

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It all depends on what your degree is in. Do you have an English degree? Have you been teaching English as a Second Language, or have you been teaching secondary English classes (Language arts/literature/grammar)? That makes a huge difference. If you have been teaching secondary English (language arts) and your degree is in English, then you will need assessing done via AITSL. If you are teaching English as a second language, you will need to be assessed under another agency (can't recall off the top of my head). And it wouldn't be necessarily under the secondary teacher code. It's listed on the immi website. Plus, if you do a search on this forum, you should have a few things come up in regards to teaching.

As for teaching jobs...I'm a secondary English teacher from the US (English/Language Arts). I am in WA. I had no problems finding a teaching job here. However, I live in a country town, so I will tell you be prepared to teach rural/bush. If you are willing to do that, you shouldn't have a problem getting a job. Relief teaching is always an option, as a lot of schools need relief teachers and you'd be likely to work pretty much every day (my brother in law is a Phys Ed Teacher in Perth and that's how he started off). Also, take the time to look over Australian Resumes and Covering Letters. They are much different than what I was used to in the United States and I had to completely redo mine. Please be advised that you also have to get certified with that state's teaching accreditation. Here in WA that is TRBWA. You will also need a Working With Children Check, as well as your foreign police checks and an AFP check.

Make sure you understand AITSL requirements. You must have been enrolled in a teaching program and have completed At Least 45 days of student teaching in order to be assessed as a Teacher in Australia.
Thanks so much for reply. My degree includes both actually. I can teach ESL as well as teaching language art and it's in English. It's a little bit different here in Turkey. You learn teaching English for almost all of the student groups. Including Primary, Secondary Schools, High Schools and Adults.

I can give it a go with TESOL certificate in case I won't be able to find a job in state schools. I've read a lot about EOI, skillselect, QCT, VIT and so on. I know almost everything about how to immigrate. The only question on my mind is: "Am I going to find a job easily?"
 

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And a question from me, another English teacher with a BA degree in "English Language Teaching"

Do we qualify as secondary school teachers or TESOL teachers in Australia? Our degree is obviously more than just a TESOL certificate program, at least mine. I don't know about mustea1992's but my degree is in education with a specialisation in teaching English. But I still don't know if I qualify as a secondary school teacher because my occupation is to teach English to people who don't speak it natively.

Here's the thread I started on this matter but I couldn't get an answer to that question:
http://www.australiaforum.com/visas-immigration/220338-secondary-school-teacher-189-a.html
Well, we've graduated from the same department. That's a big question mark for us since I e-mailed some authorities about if we are secondary or primary school teachers, they all said "send your papers and we'll have your degree assessed". Why am I supposed to pay a good amount for assessment without any clue?
 

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I know almost everything about how to immigrate. The only question on my mind is: "Am I going to find a job easily?"
Your immigrate statement concerns me, a number of us have been down the DIBP rocky road including Lady that posted before. So please don't take it lightly or you can find a brand new level of stress.

There are a number of very nice small towns that are not that remote, that certainly a few years would of fond memories while waiting for a metropolitan position. An example (not sure of positions available) Mareeba would be considered a remote teaching position, it has a population of around 10,000 and is a 1 hour drive to Cairns city.

There are also many very remote towns, some of these could be very hard to spend a year teaching in. Some of these positions take a certain type of person.

I don't know if it has changed but both these types of remote had reasonably high turnover rates, the fist type generally employment opportunities after end of school year, the second anytime but I assume end of term more often.
 

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The best time to start looking for teaching positions is September/October/November. That is when most schools start advertising for positions. Of course, then December/January rolls around and other positions pop up, as staff relocate, take other positions, etc. My experience is here in WA, so not sure about other states. But like Ampk stated...you can find a "rural" position that really isn't all that rural.

As for DIBP, Ampk is completely on target. I planned for over a year to apply for my 189 skilled visa. It took many months to gather all of the information/paperwork that they required. Then, it took 5 months to finally get my skills assessment from AITSL (they say 10 weeks...but only if everything is perfect). After that, I had to submit my EOI and wait on the invitation to apply for the 189 with 60 points. I finally got it, but didn't get it in time to apply. I had a whole other issue at that point, as I was onshore. We ended up applying for the 820 visa instead. Then, I had some issues getting my teaching certification in time to start teaching at the beginning of the school year. Just when you think you have it all figured out...something happens and you have delays. In your case, I would speak with a MARA agent. I did, several times. This is something you don't want to mess up. It's not easy and isn't as straightforward as it seems. It is only about $150-$300 AUD for a phone consult. That's a drop in the bucket compared to the costs of these visas and all the necessary things you have to do. AITSL charges $625 AUD for a skills assessment alone. There are several awesome MARA agents who post regularly on this forum: CCMS (Nick van Voorst), Mark Northam, Westly Russell, and Jeremy Hooper just to name a few. Contact one of them. That's your best bet.
 

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Thank you all for your answers!

I talked to a MARA agent and they're affordable compared to the visa prices but my problem is, I just graduated and won't have any information or documents ready until like 2018/2019 and I don't want to pay hundreds of dollars right now for a couple questions without documents. And I want to find answers to my questions now because I have a couple other plans for my future if it seems like my Australia plan won't work out.

Do you have to find a job asap after you get PR through 189? Does it have to be related to your occupation or can you work other jobs until you find a teaching job?

I score 60 points without work experience. Does it sound realistic to get 189 without work experience when you have enough points?

My degree is in teaching English as a foreign/second language. I did take literature classes and "how to teach English through literature" kind of classes but I'm really worried because if I don't qualify as a secondary school teacher then it's TESOL which is closed in all states and territories except for SA. And in SA it's on the supplementary list which means you need 85 points to be eligible. So TESOL is a dead end. That's why I've been trying to find out if I qualify as a secondary school teacher.
 

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Thank you all for your answers!

I talked to a MARA agent and they're affordable compared to the visa prices but my problem is, I just graduated and won't have any information or documents ready until like 2018/2019 and I don't want to pay hundreds of dollars right now for a couple questions without documents. And I want to find answers to my questions now because I have a couple other plans for my future if it seems like my Australia plan won't work out.

Do you have to find a job asap after you get PR through 189? Does it have to be related to your occupation or can you work other jobs until you find a teaching job?

I score 60 points without work experience. Does it sound realistic to get 189 without work experience when you have enough points?

My degree is in teaching English as a foreign/second language. I did take literature classes and "how to teach English through literature" kind of classes but I'm really worried because if I don't qualify as a secondary school teacher then it's TESOL which is closed in all states and territories except for SA. And in SA it's on the supplementary list which means you need 85 points to be eligible. So TESOL is a dead end. That's why I've been trying to find out if I qualify as a secondary school teacher.
Yeah. That's a big issue for me as well. Why don't you try New Zealand for TESOL? I came across plenty of TESOL jobs there and it's in their needed occupations list.
 

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If your degree is TESOL, then no, you won't be able to go the Secondary Teacher route. Mustea1992, that is a great idea! If you aren't sure about New Zealand, take a trip there and see if you like it. But as far as I know, if your degree is TESOL, you can't get your 189 as a Secondary Teacher in Australia.
 

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If your degree is TESOL, then no, you won't be able to go the Secondary Teacher route. Mustea1992, that is a great idea! If you aren't sure about New Zealand, take a trip there and see if you like it. But as far as I know, if your degree is TESOL, you can't get your 189 as a Secondary Teacher in Australia.
You can't just take a trip there 😂 I have to spend two salaries just to take a one way plane ticket! 😁 And no, my degree isn't TESOL. Teaching English as a Second Language is just a lesson we took in the university. In addition to this, we had "teaching English to kids", "teaching English to adults", "teaching English to Primary School", "teaching English to Seconary School", "teaching English through Literature" lectures in the university. So this means, I am qualified to teach in public schools including Secondary and Primary. What concerns me is: "Am I a Secondary or a Primary school teacher for Australia?"
 

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You can't just take a trip there �� I have to spend two salaries just to take a one way plane ticket! �� And no, my degree isn't TESOL. Teaching English as a Second Language is just a lesson we took in the university. In addition to this, we had "teaching English to kids", "teaching English to adults", "teaching English to Primary School", "teaching English to Seconary School", "teaching English through Literature" lectures in the university. So this means, I am qualified to teach in public schools including Secondary and Primary. What concerns me is: "Am I a Secondary or a Primary school teacher for Australia?"
Hmm, must be very expensive where you're coming from, then. As for what you're qualified for...the only thing you can do is have AITSL evaluate your credentials and see which skills assessment you'll need. Did you complete at least 45 days of student teaching?
 

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Hmm, must be very expensive where you're coming from, then. As for what you're qualified for...the only thing you can do is have AITSL evaluate your credentials and see which skills assessment you'll need. Did you complete at least 45 days of student teaching?
Yeah. I went to practicum for two semesters, which is much more than AITSL demands.
 

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Your immigrate statement concerns me, a number of us have been down the DIBP rocky road including Lady that posted before. So please don't take it lightly or you can find a brand new level of stress.

There are a number of very nice small towns that are not that remote, that certainly a few years would of fond memories while waiting for a metropolitan position. An example (not sure of positions available) Mareeba would be considered a remote teaching position, it has a population of around 10,000 and is a 1 hour drive to Cairns city.

There are also many very remote towns, some of these could be very hard to spend a year teaching in. Some of these positions take a certain type of person.

I don't know if it has changed but both these types of remote had reasonably high turnover rates, the fist type generally employment opportunities after end of school year, the second anytime but I assume end of term more often.
You should see the city I'm working in right now. It's in the middle of nowhere and in a terrible condition. You guys don't have a single place like this there. The Ministry wants me to stay here for 6 years, 1 completed.
 
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