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Hi there,

I am an American citizen and was recently granted WHV to Australia. I am due to leave in Feb 2011.

The purpose of this visa was to get work in Melbourne, but also to live with my Australian boyfriend in Melbourne so we can launch a De Facto Visa with a proof that we'd been living together for a year.

We had been dating exclusively for 2.5 years now, and by the time we launch a visa, it will be 3.5 years.

Below are my questions:

1) When do we launch the actual visa? By the time it's almost a year of my stay in Australia, I guess my BF and I will need to travel to NZ or elsewhere to complete 1 year cycle, do we launch a visa after the trip?

2) Can I come back into Australia after the above NZ trip under a tourist visa to stay upto 3 months?

3) After the visa application is submitted, am I allowed to travel outside of Australia until I am granted a visa?

4) Do I only need FBI police check document? Do you advise that I get the police check close to my visa application date or asap?

5) Do I get the medical check up in Australia? Does anyone know how much this roughly costs for a WHV holder? If this is significant amount, I need to consider this when I get a travelers/health insurance so I find one that would pay for such checkups.

5) My BF and I will be living in a house his father owns - but his father will not live with us. How can we prove to the immigration that we'd been living together under such circumstances?

Okay, I think that is it for now.
I will be REALLY looking forward to some insights!!
Thank you so much!
 

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Chrissy, have a look at what I posted for to Oz and some of your questions answered there re travelling to NZ.
http://www.australiaforum.com/visas...te-take-us-citizen-without-good-evidence.html

As for when you get your police/FBI clearances the latter apparently takes about 10 -12 weeks and if you're doing it from Australia, you need to add on another couple of months or so for getting finger prints etc.
There's a thread on FBI checks so if you do a search, you'll likely find it easy enough and it already has a few pages.

If your plan is not to return at all to the US until you have your partner visa, you could arrange the police/FBI check now as though they have a 12 months currency, in not having been back since getting cleared, it'll still be seen as valid.

But you mention travelling while the visa is being processed and that'll jeopardise the validity of your clearance.
If you do want to travel after application, a bridging visa is issued to cover people from when their existing visa expires to when their new application is determined, that being a BVA.
To travel and three months allowed, you would need to apply for a BVB.
So for 1. Yes, 2. Return on an ETA , 5. A medical check-up including an Xray will be somewhere around $200+ and I doubt you'll find insurance that will cover it.
Second 5. You can still have the father draw up some kind of rental agreement but there's also much other stuff like utility bills, any club memberships, stuff mailed to you etc., a bank account for instance.

Check other posts of To OZ and you'll see she is considering a relationship registration, a little more difficult to get in Victoria but still possible and see our sticky thread on it, for with a relationship registration, that'll waive the 12 months requirement but still evidence required.

If deciding on trying that, you'll also need to check that your 462 does not have a restriction on the visa re applying for another visa onshore and should be details in your confirmation email/letter.
 

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Thank you so much for your reply!

I do not need to travel after the visa is launched, it was just a thought because I did not know what to do once my WHV was expired.

But it sounds that I can stay in Australia after my WHV was expired under ETA and hopefully within 3 months the visa will come out?

Or do you suggest I take BVB after I come back to Australia from NZ after my WHV is expired?

In this case, do you think it is sensible for me to launch FBI/police (is this separate) check before I leave in a few weeks?

Best,
Chrissy
 

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Just to clarify it a bit for you, you either need to get a relationship registered or have at least 12 months together and for that you would need to tack on the ETA.

Either way you'll not need to apply for a BVB unless you wanted to leave Australia after the WHV or ETA expired and when either of those expire, if you have put your partner application in before expiry, a BVA will be issued.

If you apply while on the WHV, having got a relationship registration, then you can continue to work while on a Bridging visa as conditions of previous visa apply, so if you apply while on an ETA, there'll be no working though you can attempt to get that restriction waived.

And yes, if you do not want to return to the US while the partner visa is processed you could get your FBI/police checks arranged before you depart, and if you have an address in Australia, you should be able to have them sent here though it could be they will only post them to an address in the US and so then use a family address or whatever over there and have them forwarded on.
 

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i would definitely apply for the FBI check asap before leaving as it takes a while to get the results back, not to even mention getting the needed finger prints in Australia-- ugh! they will send the results to whatever address you tell them to, whether in America or abroad.

goodluck!
 

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So, if I travel to NZ before my WHV is expired (let's say few days before) and come back to OZ after a 1-2 weeks holiday with an ETA to stay for 3 months - is that not a problem? Do the authority care if I came back again after my WHV?

If we applied for the de facto a week before my 12 month stay in OZ, would the authority still grant it and perhaps give me a bridging visa from WHV?

If we get our relationship registered with VIC after 6 months living together with evidences, can we apply for de facto before 12 month cycle? (and is it true that part of what I need is a VIC driver's license to do this?)

I have so many questions! Thank god for this forum!!
 

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If i request police check in September of 2011, would that be enough time to process everything before we submit an application some time in feb-march of 2012?
 

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If you are planning 1-2 weeks in NZ you ought to allow a couple of weeks of your WHV for that for it's the outward flight you'll need to a country you have a right of entry to and if you booked a return trip that was a week after your WHV finished you would not have a right of entry.
If you decide to stay longer in NZ, I doubt the NZ authorities will track you down for you can stay there for three months without a visa and it's not going to be any skin of the Aussies noses if/when you return but if you're not with tour partner it could affect a partner visa application being put in.
A week less than 12 months is not at least 12 months! and yes, as already said, if you get a relationship registered that waives the 12 months requirement, and yes have a read of the information re RRs on the Birts, Deaths and Marriages site and for someone not an Australian citizen or PR there are additional requirements.
Some people have reported being told at the B,D & Ms offices that without being a citizen or PR they are mot eligible but unless they have changed it, that requirement is not on the application form so it is sometimes better just to stick an application in rather than ask in the offices.
And if it's the FBI check you are thinking of applying for in September, that would seem ample time allowed.
 

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i think Wanderer has already answered your current questions, but i just wanted to comment on this.

Do the authority care if I came back again after my WHV?
i don't think that Immi cares about you coming back after your WHV, it's your intent in coming back that they care about. ie. if they get wind of you having applied for a temporary (ETA) visa just so you could get back into the country to apply for a permanent (Partner) visa they may refuse you entry. the reason is that they want the ETA to be use strictly for visitors, not for those seeking long-term residence.

i don't mean to worry you, really it's not that big of a problem. upon returning on an ETA visa, if Immi asks you what you intend to do in Australia just tell them you've visiting. do not mention applying for another visa or your partner.

as i'm sure Wanderer mentioned somewhere, when traveling to NZ you need a ticket out of the country. that's why he suggests traveling to NZ sooner before your WHV ends, so that you that you still have the right to fly to AU from NZ just so you can get into NZ.

as for me, instead of flying to NZ i'm flying to Japan. Japan doesn't require Americans to have a ticket out of the country when visiting and I have friends there, so for me Japan is easier. :) i intend to go to Japan with my partner on a one-way ticket just before my WHV expires. once my WHV expires, i'll apply for an ETA online while in Japan and once i have the ETA i'll book a flight back into AU. :)

anyway, i hope i haven't confused you further....
 

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thanks for your advice! i think if my partnership registration with victoria state doesn't go through, i may travel to seoul - do you know if seoul requires american citizen to have a ticket out of the country?

good luck with you and your partner! enjoy your time in japan, i love that country to visit!
 

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sorry, i have no idea about Seoul. :/

actually, i looked into not needing a ticket out of Japan and got mixed results, most of which indicated that it's the airlines that sometimes deny you check-in if you don't have an outbound ticket, not the countries themselves. it seems to depends on the airline you fly as to whether or not the ticket thing will be enforced.

i'm still researching, but i'm pretty certain that at least Japan doesn't require and outbound ticket. try googling something like "return ticket required korea" to find out about Seoul. goodluck!
 

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Medical costs

Hiya

I'm a UK citizen applying for de facto visa here in Australia, I just wanted to reply on the medical thing.

I made an appointment for the medical and was told it would be $330. I live out in the sticks, so had to make a 3 hour trip (each way) to the nearest doctor that was registered with immigration to do medicals. I got poked and prodded for a while, then sent down the road for a blood test, then somewhere else for the xray. They charged me another $70 for the xray, and a week later I got a bill from the pathology lab charging me $170 for the blood tests. Needless to say I wasn't really impressed, as I didn't know the blood tests and xray would be extra. So all I can say is when you make an appointment, just ask them if the price they give you includes everything, or if anything is extra.

Call the immigration department to get the details of a doctor near you who can do your medical.

Good luck
Freya
 

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Hello, to OZ! here. I am in a very similar situation...US citizen moving to AUS to be with partner. Wanderer pointed out my own threads for you to reference.

Just to clarify it a bit for you, you either need to get a relationship registered or have at least 12 months together and for that you would need to tack on the ETA.
I was under the new impression that the state (NSW in particular) was still deciding on the validity of a state-registered relationship at the commonwealth level. Perhaps Wanderer can clarify for us.

I think the route I will take is to obtain an ETA, then quick trip to NZ to apply for the 462 Work&Holiday visa, and use that 15 months to prove 12+ months of commitment/cohabitation. If you can for sure register the relationship, it will alleviate you having to stress about the exact dates for 12-months and thus potentially alleviate the need for that first ETA visa all together. However, I would rather have the extra time and leeway just in case something doesnt go through. (For example, see the above confusion already.) Then you won't be scrambling under a 12-month deadline. Bonus; by getting your ETA first, you can easily explain your intent...going to visit your bf and check out AUS. Followed up with the WHV; you like it and want to see where things go and also want to work for a bit. Then you can apply for the big one with no mal intent. Double bonus; a bridging visa on the WHV lets you continue to work (since bridging visas uphold the current visas obligations), where as if you were to get the WHV, not be able to register in Victoria, get stressed about staying in the country, then Hail Mary-ing on an ETA, you wouldn't necessarily be able to work as easily.

That's what I've got so far. I'm not looking to move until the end of the summer so I've got time for the police checks (considering also that I won't need them for another year for the defacto visa). I've read that you should do your health check (there's a list on Immi website they want you to use) bc it streamlines the process.

Let's stay in touch. Perhaps we'll be able to help each other out along the way. I'll keep you posted!

Cheers!
 

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just wanted to say that it appears i was wrong about Japan not requiring an outbound ticket when flying into the country. the US embassy websites for Japan, S. Korea and Singapore all state that an outbound ticket is required... how strictly this is enforced i don't know. :/

so it seems like i will have to do what Wanderer said.

If you are planning 1-2 weeks in NZ you ought to allow a couple of weeks of your WHV for that for it's the outward flight you'll need to a country you have a right of entry to and if you booked a return trip that was a week after your WHV finished you would not have a right of entry.
sucks that i'll have to do that, but there seems to be no way around it. i'm ALMOST regretting having not done this as ETA > WHV > De Facto instead of WHV > ETA > De Facto. i'll have to try and save as much as i can to live off of while on the ETA waiting for the De Facto to be granted and having to travel abroad at all puts a dent in that. :(
 

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There was a post a couple of months back re success in getting a work restriction lifted while on a bridging visa so once you have a partner application in and the BVA kicks in, there'll be no harm in seeing if you can get permission to work, based on a claim of financial hardship.
 

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Hi, I am trying to do the same thing. I have just applied for my WH visa and I haven't been approved but they told me that most likely I will be approved but with a No Further Stay clause. I would like to do a bridging visa but when I called the embassy they told me that I would have to leave Australia after my WH visa is expired and then apply in America and it would take 5-10 months. Is that true? Is there any way to get out of having a No Further Stay on your WH visa?

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hi ruizjen,

i don't know of any way to avoid receiving a No Further Stay condition on your visa, but you could just travel abroad at the end of your WHV and while abroad apply for an ETA (Tourist) Visa and come back into the country on that. ETAs often don't have a NFS condition on them, so once you're back in the country on the ETA you could apply for a Partner Visa.

the only major catch is that you aren't allowed to work on an ETA and the conditions of your current visa when you apply for the Partner Visa continue until the Partner Visa is granted.... meaning that for however long it takes them to grant your Partner Visa you will be unable to work.
 

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hi ruizjen,

i don't know of any way to avoid receiving a No Further Stay condition on your visa, but you could just travel abroad at the end of your WHV and while abroad apply for an ETA (Tourist) Visa and come back into the country on that. ETAs often don't have a NFS condition on them, so once you're back in the country on the ETA you could apply for a Partner Visa.

the only major catch is that you aren't allowed to work on an ETA and the conditions of your current visa when you apply for the Partner Visa continue until the Partner Visa is granted.... meaning that for however long it takes them to grant your Partner Visa you will be unable to work.
Nighstar,

Thank you so much for your help. I actually just got approved and they didn't put "No Further Stay" on it! Couldn't be more excited!!
 
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