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Hi I am amazed how complex the process to get a visa for someone you want to marry from overseas is. We met in Oz when she was on a tourist visa. Fell in love but her visa ended so she has gone home. I am going to visit her next week as a first step to having her return to Oz as my fiancé or wife. Any tips for the early stages would be much appreciated
 

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Hi I am amazed how complex the process to get a visa for someone you want to marry from overseas is. We met in Oz when she was on a tourist visa. Fell in love but her visa ended so she has gone home. I am going to visit her next week as a first step to having her return to Oz as my fiancé or wife. Any tips for the early stages would be much appreciated
How long have you lived together as a couple?
This might decide if the 300 or the 309 partner visa is the right one for you.
Or even the 820 partner visa, if she comes back on another tourist visa.
 

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Thanks J&E "How long have you lived together as a couple?"
We were only living at my house for 3 weeks. I know this is not long.
But we are in love and I asked her and she said yes to marriage. So we are engaged. Unlike marriage my belief is this is all that's required to be affianced and qualify for a Fiance visa. But I'm probably wrong in this climate of suspicion and marriages of convenience.
She can't come back as a tourist for 6 months I believe, as she was here for 6 months already until 11th April when she left for Thailand. Pity I didn't meet her in November! :(
 

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Thanks again. That is what I thought too.
The problem of course is can take 11 months or longer (apart :( ) but then my fiance can come her for nine months in which time we can marry here or Thailand if we desire - but not until this 300 visa is granted.
The permanent visa (100) application then comes as part of this process and included in the $7000 fee?
As I read it there is another 2 year wait for this but we can be living in Australia together by then.
Does this sound right?
 

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You likely don't qualify for the 309/100 or 820/801 yet so 300 may be the best option. Yes it may mean time apart but it's the end result you want of being able to live together in Australia. The 300 is also the route my partner and I took.

There's nothing stopping her from coming back on a tourist visa to be with you after applying the 300. That's what I did.

The 300 goes like this: Make application offshore (presently $7000). Once approved, partner has to enter Australia before marrying and marry within 9 months of grant date and apply onshore for the 820/801 (presently fee for 300 holders is $1170). Either the 820 will be granted before the 300 ends or she'll have a bridging visa to stay onshore if the 300 ends. Two years after the 820/801 application, she'd be eligible for permanent residency (801) and will submit documents that the relationship is still ongoing. Then they make a decision on the 801.

No matter which route you take, the partner visa process will be lengthy and expensive. Take the route you qualify for or it will be even longer and even more expensive if you get a refusal and try appealing, which may also be a failure if you never met the requirements to begin with.

Long term pain for short term gain. Best of luck to you! It's a long process.
 

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Thanks again. That is what I thought too.
The problem of course is can take 11 months or longer (apart :( ) but then my fiance can come her for nine months in which time we can marry here or Thailand if we desire - but not until this 300 visa is granted.
The permanent visa (100) application then comes as part of this process and included in the $7000 fee?
As I read it there is another 2 year wait for this but we can be living in Australia together by then.
Does this sound right?
There are ways to avoid being apart for too long, even during the PMV-300 wait.

We applied for the 300 PMV on 22/6/15, then, 2 months later on 20/8/15, after we did the medicals and police check, we applied for a 12 month Visitor Visa subclass 600.
She arrived in Australia on 6/10/15 with me, on the visitor visa. The 300 visa was ready for decision on 16/2/16 and we both left Australia on 11/3/16 for a 1 week holiday and the 300 was granted on 14/3/16. We returned 4 days later on the valid 300 visa.

We married on 26/4/16, and then applied for the 820 partner visa on 14/5/16.

She has been here with me since October 2015, 4 months after we applied for the PMV-300 visa. We will be doing the final 801 application next month.

PMV Subclass 300 visa current cost is $7,000
Subclass 820/801 combined visa cost is $1,170 (for a PMV holder)
 
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Visitor visa

Thank you so much for this happy advice J&E!

I have just come back from visiting my fiance in Thailand and meeting her family. They are wonderful!
I have taken a deep breath and said yes I want go ahead with the Visa process but after 5 days I am missing her so much
5 months will be so hard! I plan to go back next month for another week to ease the pain. :)

My question is does the 300 PMV application require her to be off-shore?
Oh the homeaffairs website helps with this:
You must be outside Australia when you apply for the visa and when the visa is decided.
So that answers my next question
"Is it necessary to wait until the 300 PMV application is submitted?" - a necessary condition

You applied for a 12 month Visitor Visa. How long did the 600 visa take to be granted?
You arrived together on 6/10 after starting 22/6.
Could you have come sooner?
 

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You applied for a 12 month Visitor Visa. How long did the 600 visa take to be granted?
You arrived together on 6/10 after starting 22/6.
Could you have come sooner?
The 600 visa took 5 weeks to process.
We waited until after doing medical and police clearance for the 300, before applying for the 600. If we had done those sooner we could probably have got the 600 a couple of months earlier.
 
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Woohoo

Awesome.
So apply for 300 and once accepted apply for 600 - should work and maybe she can come in 2 months or so!
If all the Tetris blocks fall right :)
Made my day.
Thanks again!
 

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Another Tourist visa?

I am about to start the 300 Visa process and I have a ticket booked for the 24th May to Bangkok to see my fiance :D

Do I need to wait for the 300 Visa application to be accepted before I apply for a Tourist 600?

She had a 3 month Tourist visa (extended by 3 months) sponsored by her brother-in-law and sister last year.
This visa finished on 11th April 2018 when she went back to Thailand.

Will this be a problem to get another 600 Visa this year - in other words is there a waiting period between 600 Visas.
I hope I can get a 12 months visa to live with me while the 300 visa is being assessed living with me as sponsor of course.

Thanks again to all you folks on this excellent forum!
If only the department was as easy to contact :rolleyes:
 

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The 600 visa took 5 weeks to process.
We waited until after doing medical and police clearance for the 300, before applying for the 600. If we had done those sooner we could probably have got the 600 a couple of months earlier.
Thanks JandE for your excellent posts

Now that I have almost completed the 300 PMV application - just checking a few details and wording in the statements - I'll be ready to submit.
I have also prepared a 600 Visitor Visa application for the start of August for 12 months. Once the 300 is received I will also submit the 600 hoping she can come then.

Reading your excellent timeline from your previous post it seems part of the processing needs to be done with her in Thailand - police check and medical.
So she needs to stay there until they request these I guess?

If I specify a date for the 600 to commence I guess she doesn't have to come until she is ready - just not before the start date?
 

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Thanks JandE for your excellent posts

Now that I have almost completed the 300 PMV application - just checking a few details and wording in the statements - I'll be ready to submit.
I have also prepared a 600 Visitor Visa application for the start of August for 12 months. Once the 300 is received I will also submit the 600 hoping she can come then.

Reading your excellent timeline from your previous post it seems part of the processing needs to be done with her in Thailand - police check and medical.
So she needs to stay there until they request these I guess?

If I specify a date for the 600 to commence I guess she doesn't have to come until she is ready - just not before the start date?
There's no requirement for her to remain in Thailand during processing, only that she be offshore to apply and offshore for grant. She doesn't need to wait in Thailand until they request them.
 

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Thanks Sykbluebrewer

So as long as she is in Thailand when I click submit?
No need to wait for the Australian Embassy in Thailand to complete the medical & character checks?
As long as she has a 600 visa she is free to come to Australia?
 

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The issue with the police check may be the need for personal appearance to get that locally. Ours needed fingerprints taken.

The medical may be able to be done in Australia, but at a higher cost.

I'd suggest getting police check done before leaving, for simplicity.
 
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Thanks JandE

Great advice on both scores.
Obviously your recent success with this process is gold for me!

I am in the final - about to submit - phase.
just checking my words before I pay the money.

Do you know any reason why I cannot submit the 600 Visitor visa straight after?
They give you a start and finish date on the 600
I assume you can travel inside the dates but up to you when you travel?

In other words waiting for the checks to complete then run to my arms!
 

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You can submit the 600 visa anytime.

We decided to wait until after medical and police checks in the hope it would help in a positive decision for a 12 month visa.

They may have still granted it even before that. But who knows.

Not everyone gets a visitor visa granted in these situations.
 

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Thanks again JandE

We decided to wait until after medical and police checks in the hope it would help in a positive decision for a 12 month visa.
** Agree this would be helpful but not normally required for visitor visa?

Not everyone gets a visitor visa granted in these situations
** I hope this is only for people who fail the background checks

As my fiancee has already passed for a Family Sponsored she should be OK

Based on your timeline from your superb post on 14/08/18 which shows what is possible, (hope likely!) it answers my other question - you were granted a 600 visa 24/9 and arrived 6/10/15 so delay is OK

Final question about the PMV. How important are the supporting witnesses? Her sister and brother in law are the only significant people who have met us both in Australia.
My mother has spoken to us both on the phone and I have discussed our relationship with her but she has never met my fiancee

I have met many of her family in Thailand but as the application is in Australia would they be asked?
 

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Final question about the PMV. How important are the supporting witnesses? Her sister and brother in law are the only significant people who have met us both in Australia.
My mother has spoken to us both on the phone and I have discussed our relationship with her but she has never met my fiancee

I have met many of her family in Thailand but as the application is in Australia would they be asked?
My "supporting witnesses" were my daughter, and my sister, for the form 888's.

We didn't do any for her family. Having personally met may not be that important, just being able to say they are aware of your relationship should be sufficient.
 

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Thanks again JandE.

Cannot express my gratitude strongly enough to you :)
Did your witnesses get contacted?

I think I am now ready to submit both applications!!

Just spoke to her sister and she says the first visitor visa (family sponsored) my fiancee got last year for October was granted in 2 weeks!!!

Wow we may be together by end July if the other checks get done quickly

We are so excited
 
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