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Hi all,

I've just signed up to this site because I am going through the process of getting citizenship for my 18 month year old son and a partner visa ( 309/100 ) for my wife....and of course have a couple of questions...hopefully simple ones ;)

On Form 118 ( Citizenship by Descent ), at Question 18 I have to tick a box that states how I came by my Australian Citizenship.
2 of the option are "Conferral/grant" and "Naturalisation". What is the difference between these 2 options? To me they are the same thing???, I'm pretty sure I should be ticking "Conferral/grant", but would like to make sure.

Question 25. I am filling in this form as the "Responsible parent" for my son. So should I be signing the section where it says "Signature of Applicant"?

Question 27 & 28. Again I'm the responsible parent, should I still fill in my details here and sign it to nominate myself as the representative?

Question 30. There are 2 signature boxes, 1 for "Signature of Applicant" and the other for "Signature of responsible parent". I know I have to sign the "Signature of responsible parent" box, but do I leave the first one blank, or sign that to?

Lastly, I know I have to do the ID declaration for my son, and attach a photo, but do I also need to have that done for myself being the "Responsible parent"?

I also have questions about the 309/100 process but will make a separate post for that.

Thanks in advance for any help you all can offer :)
 

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Hi all,

I've just signed up to this site because I am going through the process of getting citizenship for my 18 month year old son and a partner visa ( 309/100 ) for my wife....and of course have a couple of questions...hopefully simple ones ;)

On Form 118 ( Citizenship by Descent ), at Question 18 I have to tick a box that states how I came by my Australian Citizenship.
2 of the option are "Conferral/grant" and "Naturalisation". What is the difference between these 2 options? To me they are the same thing???, I'm pretty sure I should be ticking "Conferral/grant", but would like to make sure.

Question 25. I am filling in this form as the "Responsible parent" for my son. So should I be signing the section where it says "Signature of Applicant"?

Question 27 & 28. Again I'm the responsible parent, should I still fill in my details here and sign it to nominate myself as the representative?

Question 30. There are 2 signature boxes, 1 for "Signature of Applicant" and the other for "Signature of responsible parent". I know I have to sign the "Signature of responsible parent" box, but do I leave the first one blank, or sign that to?

Lastly, I know I have to do the ID declaration for my son, and attach a photo, but do I also need to have that done for myself being the "Responsible parent"?

I also have questions about the 309/100 process but will make a separate post for that.

Thanks in advance for any help you all can offer :)
Citizen By grant is what you have acquired after being migrated from another country and By NAturalisation is by birth.. If you are born in australia then its naturalisation....so these are not the same

About rest , i dont know.. Someone gonna reply soon
 

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Citizen By grant is what you have acquired after being migrated from another country and By NAturalisation is by birth.. If you are born in australia then its naturalisation....so these are not the same

About rest , i dont know.. Someone gonna reply soon[/QUOTE

Naturalisation is not the same as Citizenship by birth.
There are 3 ways to get Australian Citizenship.
1.By Birth in Australia to a parent who is already a citizen or a permanent resident.

2.By descent where you are born overseas to a patent who is an Australian Citizen.

3. By grant or naturalisation.
 

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3. By grant or naturalisation.
But what is the difference between Conferral/grant and naturalisation?

On the form there are 7 tick boxes to choose from:

1. Birth
2. Conferral/grant
3. Naturalisation
4. Descent
5. Adoption
6. Born in Papua prior to independence
7. Other

I thought "Conferral/grant" and "Naturalisation" were the same thing, but if they are providing them as 2 separate options, then there must be some kind of difference between them???
 

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But what is the difference between Conferral/grant and naturalisation?

On the form there are 7 tick boxes to choose from:

1. Birth
2. Conferral/grant
3. Naturalisation
4. Descent
5. Adoption
6. Born in Papua prior to independence
7. Other

I thought "Conferral/grant" and "Naturalisation" were the same thing, but if they are providing them as 2 separate options, then there must be some kind of difference between them???
Naturalisation is an older term and may apply to people who gained Australian citizenship under some of the older (and now replaced) Citizenship Acts.
 

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But what is the difference between Conferral/grant and naturalisation?

On the form there are 7 tick boxes to choose from:

1. Birth
2. Conferral/grant
3. Naturalisation
4. Descent
5. Adoption
6. Born in Papua prior to independence
7. Other

I thought "Conferral/grant" and "Naturalisation" were the same thing, but if they are providing them as 2 separate options, then there must be some kind of difference between them???
I think you are making the whole thing too complicated for yourself.
You only need to ask yourself a few questions.
The first question is were you born here and in what year.
Secondly if you were not born here was one of your parents an Australian Citizen?.
Thirdly where were you born? If it was overseas either you or your parents were naturalised.
Fourthly were you adpoted from overseas as a child?
Fifthly were you born and in PNG?
I think you will find your answer in the first 3 questions!
 

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This might not apply to the OP's situation, but PNG citizens should be aware that different rules apply depending on when and where in PNG they were born and the citizenship status of their parent(s) at the time.
 

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Thanks everyone for your replies :)

I'm going to go with "Conferral/grant", I gained my Citizenship as a "Migrant with permanent residence" ( as did my parents ), and the term that is used on that page of the citizenship.gov.au website is "Conferral".

Migrants with permanent residence who satisfy the eligibility requirements apply for Australian citizenship by conferral
If Naturalisation is just an older term for "Conferral/grant" as CCMS said, then I think they're just unnecessarily confusing things, and really could make it the same option, but hey...what do I know! :)

Does anyone know about the other questions??
Mostly about which boxes I should be signing, and if I need to do the ID thing as well as my son?
 

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Citizen By grant is what you have acquired after being migrated from another country and By NAturalisation is by birth.. If you are born in australia then its naturalisation....so these are not the same

About rest , i dont know.. Someone gonna reply soon[/QUOTE

Naturalisation is not the same as Citizenship by birth.
There are 3 ways to get Australian Citizenship.
1.By Birth in Australia to a parent who is already a citizen or a permanent resident.

2.By descent where you are born overseas to a patent who is an Australian Citizen.

3. By grant or naturalisation.
Thanks for correction
In indian one, there are no such options, so i assumed naturalisation to be by birth ( being natural) now i see how silly i was lol..
 

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Thanks everyone for your replies :) If Naturalisation is just an older term for "Conferral/grant" as CCMS said, then I think they're just unnecessarily confusing things, and really could make it the same option, but hey...what do I know! :)
That term could still apply to some older citizens.
 

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Ok, so I have ended up calling Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC) on +61 2 6264 1111 ( the number to call from overseas ), and asked them the questions about signature boxes and ID declaration. Have put the answers below in case its useful to anyone else.

Question 25. I am filling in this form as the "Responsible parent" for my son. So should I be signing the section where it says "Signature of Applicant"?
I was told to sign this box but write underneath that my son is 18 months old.

Question 27 & 28. Again I'm the responsible parent, should I still fill in my details here and sign it to nominate myself as the representative?
I was told "Yes", otherwise they are only authorised to speak to my 18 month year old son ( silly I know ), and again, after signing to write underneath that my son is 18 months old

Question 30. There are 2 signature boxes, 1 for "Signature of Applicant" and the other for "Signature of responsible parent". I know I have to sign the "Signature of responsible parent" box, but do I leave the first one blank, or sign that to?
I was told to sign the responsible parent box, and again sign the box on the left and write underneath that my son is 18 months old.

Although I'm still not convinced this is right, as at the top of the left column it starts with "Complete this declaration if you are the main applicant and are aged 16 years or over."
So personally I think this should be left blank. and just the responsible parent box on the right should be signed. But hey..I'll just sign everything..better too many signatures than not enough I guess.

Lastly, I know I have to do the ID declaration for my son, and attach a photo, but do I also need to have that done for myself being the "Responsible parent"?
No, I just do the ID Declaration ( part D ) for my son, and just make sure that the documents relating to me or my citizenship ( as well as the documents for my son ) are certified.

So now I just have to certify docs, and DHL it off :D
 
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