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Hi

i am currently looking at my msn/skype chat history and amongst relevant supportive chat for the visa application there are personal conversations which i would not want the co to be reading,

will immi accept cut and paste into word document, or does it have to be screenshots???? as with screenshots i can not remove the personal convo sections.

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If by chatting that infers you were not actually together, then forget it in total as an indication of a relationship.
If you want to just show how long you have known oneanother before starting the residing together relationship that Immi look for then you would only need a bit of the dated history.
 

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Hi gys

I have printed the skype and msn stuff for the application. I figred if they ask for emails, letters and mobile phone records that skype and msn are just as good. I thought abot going through it all and blotting out the stuff that was a bit personal but then I thought, this is my relationship and they want to see that it is real with its ups and downs and private moments.

I am sure they will be discrete with it. I am sure they have seen more personal stuff than what we have put into print.

If Wanderer is correct then I guess its up to you what you are comfortable with.

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hehehe true true who knows what the immi officers have seen :)

there will always be someone worse out there

the only thing im worried about is there is alot of culture difference compared to australia and other countries in europe, so i dont know how the immi people in other countries will find some very personal concersations where as for us in australia it is seen as normal and no big deal

i have read on some other forums about peoples experience where they were looked down upon the interview because of culture difference, eg a applicant was asked if they give out their number to everyone guy on the train......the person had met there partner on the train and had exchanged number on the spot
 

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Hi gys

I have printed the skype and msn stuff for the application. I figred if they ask for emails, letters and mobile phone records that skype and msn are just as good. I thought abot going through it all and blotting out the stuff that was a bit personal but then I thought, this is my relationship and they want to see that it is real with its ups and downs and private moments.

I am sure they will be discrete with it. I am sure they have seen more personal stuff than what we have put into print.

If Wanderer is correct then I guess its up to you what you are comfortable with.

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did you just copy and paste into word document, or supply screen shots?
 

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true. maybe just get a black texta and go over the sentences you dont want them to see? surely that in itself will tell them you are aren't faking it ! ha ha
 

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If by chatting that infers you were not actually together, then forget it in total as an indication of a relationship.
If you want to just show how long you have known oneanother before starting the residing together relationship that Immi look for then you would only need a bit of the dated history.
chatting as in to cover the time we are apart, i had met my partner when i was overseas, then i had to return back to australia and continued long distance relationship via internet/phone

i will be going overseas in 2 months time to get married
 

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did you just copy and paste into word document, or supply screen shots?
I think I went into skpye and selected his name, then selected 'from the beginning' and right clicked to 'select all' and then pasted to word doc. It pastes lots of detail so thats good. length of calls, messages, date etc.

I dont like screen shots. too fiddly and not as clear. i would imagine it would take half a day to do it that way too.

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Sending in MSN/Skype transcripts is pretty pointless if you ask me. The date stamps are easy to change - the Case Officers know this and as such treat them all as weak evidence...
 

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Sending in MSN/Skype transcripts is pretty pointless if you ask me. The date stamps are easy to change - the Case Officers know this and as such treat them all as weak evidence...
i guess screen shots are a better option cant edit screen shots as easily
 

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I have 51pages from skype chat alone let alone FB, emails and MSN evidence. I am sure there is someone out there willing to spend the time fabircating or editing details but I am not one of them.
oh, and the pages do not reflect the amount of days. It reflect dates and times of calls plus length of calls as well as individual messages in between so there are lines and lines lines of different dates and times. Thats alot to try and fabricate.
 

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Even so, you can reset the date on your PC and start chatting.. Is not hard to fabricate this type of evidence (not suggesting that you are!)
lol wow that wouldnt even pop in my mind, i guess a person that really wants to be shifty will be doing this
 

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I have 51pages from skype chat alone let alone FB, emails and MSN evidence. I am sure there is someone out there willing to spend the time fabircating or editing details but I am not one of them.
oh, and the pages do not reflect the amount of days. It reflect dates and times of calls plus length of calls as well as individual messages in between so there are lines and lines lines of different dates and times. Thats alot to try and fabricate.
I'd be surprised if the CO will bother reviewing that much information.

I'm not accusing you of fabrication, I'm just saying if you now wanted to share your Skype logs with someone in a similar position to you - it would be simple for them to do a search and replace on the nicknames and submit them as their own evidence.

For this reason, DIAC doesn't place as much weight on photographs and other subjective evidences. That was all I was trying to get across.
 

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I'd be surprised if the CO will bother reviewing that much information.

I'm not accusing you of fabrication, I'm just saying if you now wanted to share your Skype logs with someone in a similar position to you - it would be simple for them to do a search and replace on the nicknames and submit them as their own evidence.

For this reason, DIAC doesn't place as much weight on photographs and other subjective evidences. That was all I was trying to get across.
I think you are right. I dont think they will review it with much weight at all but if I dont add the meat they wont see the full picture. We dont have electricity bills, gas bills in our name or joint accounts or anything like that so I was adding to help show the time we have known each other and have been commnicating constantly for a long time. Not for the actual specifics.

I figure it cant hurt, right? better than nothing.
 

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chatting as in to cover the time we are apart, i had met my partner when i was overseas, then i had to return back to australia and continued long distance relationship via internet/phone

i will be going overseas in 2 months time to get married
Do not be surprised if an application is lodged following a marriage and short time together, that more may be required to avoid a rejection.
 

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well i guess i will just need to gather alot of evidence after we get married and lodge application few months after, in the end this is a persons relationship being assesed there is always a grey area all relationships are different

wandere i was wondering if you are an immigration agent , work at aus immi or have had alot of experience with these situations??? you do give alot of feedback
 

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I think you are right. I dont think they will review it with much weight at all but if I dont add the meat they wont see the full picture. We dont have electricity bills, gas bills in our name or joint accounts or anything like that so I was adding to help show the time we have known each other and have been commnicating constantly for a long time. Not for the actual specifics.

I figure it cant hurt, right? better than nothing.
Where it will hurt is that you will not have a very clear application and if any facts you have are clouded by what may be considered rather irrelevant, that'll just make a worse impression.

If you're looking at a partner visa, all the chatter you'll have may show how long you have known oneanother but you could do that easily enough with being selective, but as to a relationship length it is meaningless for it is a relationship in residing together.

Do a good read of the Immi guides and map out a clear presentation of the relationship and then look at what you have to support your claims.
If it is a PMV you're going to look at, residing together is not essential.
 

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Where it will hurt is that you will not have a very clear application and if any facts you have are clouded by what may be considered rather irrelevant, that'll just make a worse impression.

If you're looking at a partner visa, all the chatter you'll have may show how long you have known oneanother but you could do that easily enough with being selective, but as to a relationship length it is meaningless for it is a relationship in residing together.

Do a good read of the Immi guides and map out a clear presentation of the relationship and then look at what you have to support your claims.
If it is a PMV you're going to look at, residing together is not essential.
Thanks Wanderer. I appreciate your posts. You seem to be a bit of a guru with this stuff.
We have been together for over 3 years and I moved to Turkey in April last year after his tourist visa was refused the November 09'. We had intended to live together from that Nov and i even moved out of my shared apartment in anticipation of us living together, but were not able to when he couldnt get the visa. We met up in Thailand for a few weeks in Jan 10' and then I moved over in April. I am a bit worried that it has not been 12 months that we have been living together in Turkey when we lodge the application. Surely packing up my life, leaving my job of 7 years and moving to another country where I cannot work would show our committment to be together ? I feel like a dog jumping through hoops that have been set on fire !

Is it worth lodging the Partner Visa 309 application before the 12 month requirement when our intention and expectation was to be living together 6 months before that ?

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I feel like a dog jumping through hoops that have been set on fire !
As long as you have the right jump and don't catch fire and get burnt is the main thing.
The regulations do often not match too well to an applicants situation but seeing as the regulations are not so flexible it needs to be that the jumping is aligned with stationary hoops with constant firing.
A long knowledge of oneanother, taking holidays together etc. is all good re showing an appropriate background but for partner applications the regulations do specifically say at least a 12 months relationship and under the eligibility section link re relationships you'll see that it means a residing together relationship, there being CAQ there to guide you further, intentions not coming into it unless you're looking at a PMV.

So I'd say it is certainly not worth putting in an application earlier than 12 months unless you're looking for a rejection and the fee to be lost.
Being from Turkey, a High Risk country, it is likely that an ASIO security check could be made and they are taking a long time at the moment because of people smuggling tying up resources, so the partner visa processing time could be over 12 months as well.
If your partner has not already had a WHV and is eligible for one, have you considered he applying for a WHV and if that does not have a No Further Stay condition on it, getting some time together back here will allow you to be working again and he too and then apply onshore.
 
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