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Hi everyone,

I was inquiring about the requirements for the fiancee visa.

I live in Queensland and I met my partner in South Africa. We've sustained a long distance relationship for nearly 2 years. In between that time I've been back to visit him and he has been over here to visit me. We have prove of all of our contact (phone calls, text messages, photos, emails, skype conversations etc)

We are looking to apply for the fiancee visa but needed some help.

I have a full time job but I'm currently living at home whilst I'm saving for a house.

Is it necessary for me to move out of home to prove my independence or is being financially stable whilst living at home enough to show the government that I can support my partner?
 

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Hi olive

Short answer--i don't think it matters if you are living at home or not, so yes, being financially stable is enough.

Moreover, i think it could help out your cause if your parents are happy to have your fiancee move into the family home (why would they let some stranger move in, get what i mean?)

One thing you could do and include in your application, is get a mortgage quote from a bank. My boyfriend did that in our application to show two things--a) that we are planning on getting a house together, b) to show that indeed he does have enough money to support me.

Besides, if immi don't think its enough, there is a process where you do an Assurance of Support where basically you or someone else vouches for your fiancee in order to prove that he will not and will not need to use centerlink.

I think the centerlink thing is one of the primary issues in showing financial stability--they dont want someone coming to oz with no money to support themselves and nowhere to live etc. and needing government support.

Also, i think that the amount you make a year in order not to need an AoS is actually quite low.... i can't remember for sure, but i think i saw it here on a thread about AoS's.... maybe have a dig and see? I have a feeling its like around 25,000 a year... don't quote me on that though, im not %100 sure.

Good luck olive and welcome to the board!
 

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I think elkitten is right. See if you can convince your parents to have your bf moved in for few months. This is what I did, I moved in with my gf at her parents house for like 5 months and lemme tell ya it really helped. I think they might ask you for more evidence than what you have currently got in terms of msgs and stuff as the requirement is you guys gotta live together, however elkitten gave you a great advice.
 

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wouldn't it be difficult to live in with someone at your parents house? I mean why not get your own place and then when your partner arrives share the bills with him... There is nothing wrong with living with someone in your parents house I just couldn't imagine "it" happening smoothly...
 

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I think Rav is definitly making a good point there--read and re-read all the requirements for a finacee Visa (i think it's different from defacto as to the 12 month relationship requirement, is it?) and make sure you can prove as much as you possibly can. Remember, do post on this website if there is a "section of evidence" that you don't have the traditional proof for, im sure everyone on here can help you out =)

One thing that others have found helpful is looking through bank statements to prove seeing each other (plane tickets, travel expenses etc will be on there).

Dex-- yeah its a bit hard, my BF and I stayed with my parents for 3 months and it is kinda like a re-visit to the time when you were on "supervized study dates" but its can be a lot of fun too. Besides, moving out on your own in Oz is soooo not cheap, especially if she is saving for a house. Much better to get a rental with your partner at which point you will be able to afford something a bit more decent etc...

Besides being at home is awesome! clean laundry magically appears? there is always food in the fridge? totally sweeeet =)
 

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^hahaha totally, right?

I have been lucky to be living with my parents for the last year... it wasn't the plan at all, but it has been so nice to be taken care of for a change. =)
 

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Thank you all for the quick response and sorry for my delayed response.

The information you have provided is very helpful and I really appreciate the help. I know it's a very lengthy and difficult process so i'm willing to listen and learn from everybody else's experiences.

I know a lot of people have had success in their application and i'm sure everything will work out with my partner and myself.

Although this may not be the end of my questions. I'm sure more will follow as I think of them.

Thank you in advance.
 

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^hahaha totally, right?

I have been lucky to be living with my parents for the last year... it wasn't the plan at all, but it has been so nice to be taken care of for a change. =)
I have been out of the house for quite a while now and has been living on my own... it is not easy and its not always fun... being free from home just meant more responsibility... well ^ I hope you decide on what to do soon and I wish you good luck with it.
 

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Thanks Dex!

I know what you mean, lived on my own for 5 years in australia... when you add uni/work to all the house stuff, it can be a bit much at times.. i like the house stuff really, but it's only after you do your laundry again and again and cant figure out for the life of you why (oh why?!) youre socks won't get as white as when your mom does em, and with minimal effort....that i feel that you fully appreaciate the little things your parents did for you =) know what i mean?

Are you living on your own or with a bunch of people?

No more sharehouses for me! just going to be me and my boyfriend hurrah!!
 

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haha, not to worry, I still have mine too (including one i travel with)... then again though, I'm a girl, so not the same is it??.... hehehehe kidding kidding!

You know what I used to do when i was on my own that I thought helped? I always made a big deal about setting up dinner for myself-- I would put down a placemat and a napkin under my fork, and id have a glass of whatever i was drinking ready... i know, i know, youre a guy so setting a table for yourself might not be ideal (especially if you are having problems on the stuffed animal front hehehe i kid,i kid!), but it was just my way to make my nights special and to make the food i just spent time making seem a bit nicer. I dunno, it always made me feel better when i looked down and wasnt eating from a plastic container burning my lap....

I would go cookin' crazy if i were totally on my own again... try to cook wild stuff that no one can complain about but me =)
 

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I have another question. My boyfriend may be coming for a holiday soon and we were wondering whether it's better to lodge an application on-shore. We've heard that in South Africa they can be rather racist and reject the applications for no real reason. If it's quicker to do it here i would really love to do it here.
 

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Oh and if we lodged it here would they give him a bridging visa if they don't decide within the time of his holiday?
 

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I have another question. My boyfriend may be coming for a holiday soon and we were wondering whether it's better to lodge an application on-shore. We've heard that in South Africa they can be rather racist and reject the applications for no real reason. If it's quicker to do it here i would really love to do it here.
If you're still thinking of the fiance or Proposed Marriage Visa Olive, those can only be applied for and granted whilst offshore.

On a tourist visa he may find that there will be what is called a No Further Stay [NFS]condition put on his visa and that would prevent him from applying for another visa, partner ones included for which there is a 12 months relationship requirement unless a couple are married or have a relationship registered which is only possible for the ACT, Victoria and Tasmania for now.

If you live in one of those and [ using Victoria as an example ] your fiance was able to get a drivers licence on arrival you could look at getting a relationship registered to remove the 12 months relationship requirement though you still need to provide supportive evidence of a relationship, or alternately, just getting married would be easier [ and applicable to anywhere ].

Still doesn't help with the NFS and the plan then would be to take a trip to NZ [ Honeymoon ] and having your application fully complete for submission, you could go to the embassy in Auckland to submit the application and I know of people who have done that as partners [ not married ] and received their visa on same day of application.

The offshore spouse/partrner visa is also about $800 cheaper than the PMV or onshore visa and so a little bonus in that.
 

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Hi Olive

I have processed may spouse/defacto and fiance applications here in SA and you and your fiance should be fine. It is the evidence of the relationship and how it has progressed and been maintained while 'apart' that is important. You will need the official notice of intent to marry in addition to the relationship details for a 300 application to be processed. Your 'man' will probably be interviewed in Pretoria which is quite standard and not the 3rd degree. If you are working this is sufficient to show that you are able to 'support' him after his arrival and I doubt that DIAC will ask for an AOS.

The application is handled in Pretoria, and they are a great bunch (I worked there for 3 years) so I know how they work, and like I said I have done many of these cases here. Pretoria quote a 3 - 6 month processing time frame but most of my applications have been completed in 2 months.

Doesn't matter how good the relationship is with parents its never a 'long term' solution but is for sure a 'short term' one but always nice to eventually get out into the big wide world.

Hope this helps. Regards Mary
 

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..... We've heard that in South Africa they can be rather racist and reject the applications for no real reason. If it's quicker to do it here i would really love to do it here.
I think the issue is the quality of the application and the evidence provided to support it. Perhaps it is easier for some people to ascribe a rejection to 'racist' embassy staff, rather than face the problems with their own application. Or perhaps it is misunderstandings arising from high risk countries?? In either case, I don't think it will make any difference where you submit (except as has already been said you can't submit a PMV onshore).

With respect to your earlier question in this thread about living arrangements, as I recall, the application form for the PMV asks questions about where you intend to live, how many people in the house and how many bedrooms it has (it was a couple of years ago now, but I don't think I am imagining those questions!). That means you will have to get that clear and sorted out beforehand.

Also, it is your income that they want to know about, and savings, so you will have to provide evidence of both.

Good luck!
 

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Hi Olive

The Australian High Commission in Pretoria, adhere strictly to the regulations and process the applications acording to the criteria. The office has Australian government officials as the first and second officer and the balance of staff are made up of LES (Locally Engaged Staff) some are european and some are 'non' whites. All proficiently trained to be able to determine if an application is genuine or not.

I have never found any racial predudice in their handling of applications, but look at each application on its merrit.

I at one time was the processor of the spouse/defacto/fiance applications and it was my job to be able to determine the 'reality' of the relationship. Yes I was able to pick out very quickly which applications were bogus and which were genuine.

I cannot imagine that it would be any different in any of the assessing offices.

You need to do the best thing to ensure that the arrival of your 'intendend' goes smoothly and once there your lives begin. Regards Mary
 

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Hi Olive

The Australian High Commission in Pretoria, adhere strictly to the regulations and process the applications acording to the criteria. The office has Australian government officials as the first and second officer and the balance of staff are made up of LES (Locally Engaged Staff) some are european and some are 'non' whites. All proficiently trained to be able to determine if an application is genuine or not.

I have never found any racial predudice in their handling of applications, but look at each application on its merrit.

I at one time was the processor of the spouse/defacto/fiance applications and it was my job to be able to determine the 'reality' of the relationship. Yes I was able to pick out very quickly which applications were bogus and which were genuine.

I cannot imagine that it would be any different in any of the assessing offices.

You need to do the best thing to ensure that the arrival of your 'intendend' goes smoothly and once there your lives begin. Regards Mary
Hi Mary

I hope you can help me. I apologize for using this thread, but I was hoping to reach you directly, as I've noticed that your advice is great.

I am South African, 27 and have a Bachelors Degree that has been positively assessed through VETASSESS. My fiance is in Australia (Perm Resident), and has been for almost 2 years. We've been together almost 5 years. I have been over to visit twice (for 1-2 months at a time). We got engaged on my last visit (February 2010... Valentines Day actually, yes Mr. Cheesey)... We are looking into the Prospective Marriage Visa, so we can be married in Australia next February (2011).

We've kept an exclusive relationship, and actually our relationship has really grown over the past 2 years, even more than I could ever imagine.

I've got most of the application ready (incl. Police Clearance, declarations, photos, letters, emails, birthday/ Valentines Day cards, postcards, etc.), I'm just awaiting the wedding booking confirmation and my medicals.

If you (or anyone else) hasany advice, tips etc. please let me know. Like, time-lines, what to (and what not to) add to the application, and who to and how to send it...

Thank you so much in advance.

Kind regards as always,
Brett
 

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Hi,

I came across your thread and since there are not many people on here who have lodged partner applications through Pretoria I was hoping you would be able to assist me,.

My wife and I lodged her partner 309 visa application in Pretoria, South Africa on the 21/09/10 and have only since received an email acknowledging receipt of the application.

Should we be worried that a case officer has not yet been assigned or that we have not yet heard anything.

Is there a way to check if someone has actually started looking at it?

Sorry for all the questions....just a bit anxious.

Hi Olive

I have processed may spouse/defacto and fiance applications here in SA and you and your fiance should be fine. It is the evidence of the relationship and how it has progressed and been maintained while 'apart' that is important. You will need the official notice of intent to marry in addition to the relationship details for a 300 application to be processed. Your 'man' will probably be interviewed in Pretoria which is quite standard and not the 3rd degree. If you are working this is sufficient to show that you are able to 'support' him after his arrival and I doubt that DIAC will ask for an AOS.

The application is handled in Pretoria, and they are a great bunch (I worked there for 3 years) so I know how they work, and like I said I have done many of these cases here. Pretoria quote a 3 - 6 month processing time frame but most of my applications have been completed in 2 months.

Doesn't matter how good the relationship is with parents its never a 'long term' solution but is for sure a 'short term' one but always nice to eventually get out into the big wide world.

Hope this helps. Regards Mary
 
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