[malos]

Hi My girlfriends visa was refused.

I want suggestions. first story

So she lives in ko samui has a daughter

I have known her and visited before etc. more than 7 months

She wants to come 4 to 6 weeks.

She has about 4k AUD equivalent in bank.



We applied just a straight visitor visa not sponsored.

In application she provided proof of employment.
Proof of money
A letter from me and my mum inviting her.
Copy of quote for health insurance
Her families name change proof and drivers license address etc
Proof of my residency and ownership of home no loan.

Stated she will be leaving daughter with grandparents in thailand so of course returning

I sent a letter with my income 65k that have a room for her with photo.

We are entering a relationship and hope to travel from thailand to australia after my holiday with her in thailand.

They declined visa stating no proof of relationship. Also no proof of reason to return.

I didnt include proof of relation ship because it was a straight holiday visa.

If they had asked I would have.

I did provide photos of us together on previous trips.

She put in all the hard work traveled 800km to get biometrics done
easy $400 aud to do that.

Before she even landed back in Ko samui they declined with out asking if we can give proof,


How can i get them to review?

I feel the examiner failed to do their job by simply requesting for more information.

They dont even give a way to challenge the decision without paying over $1000 like wtf $1000 for a holiday visa are you kidding me?

Are we better trying again in february inperson at the immigration centre


I notice dutton can help his friends with aupair

 

[wrussell]

Only some relatives can be sponsored, others can only be invited.
Once some missions refuse a visitor visa,they continue to refuse subsequent visas, no matter how strong the application.
It might pay you to consult a RMA who specialises in turning around visa refusals.

 

[greta]

Maybe it’s because you declare that you were in “relationship” but didn’t provide much evidence at all because it is not a sponsored visitor visa, hence the refusal.

 

[oichnas16]

Maybe it's because you declare that you were in "relationship" but didn't provide much evidence at all because it is not a sponsored visitor visa, hence the refusal.

or she could just simply say visiting boyfriend and holidays then provide holiday itenerary because its purely holiday visit.

 

[Aussie in Thailand]

Visitor Visa (Sub class 600)

I am sorry that your gf visa was refused but do not be despondent. My suggestion is to take what Immigration has given as to the reasons for refusal and strengthen your next application. Don't waste time in a review /appeal.

https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/vis...ing/visitor-600/tourist-stream-overseas#HowTo

Use the link above to carefully read what is required, particularly under "Genuine Visitor Documents". From your initial post I suggest that she has missed out on several things: tertiary qualifications if she has any, and proof of employment. Simply having a child back in Thailand is not in itself sufficient to prove that she would return. Immigration have to be satisfied that she will return and the onus is on her to put her best case forward.

The letter of invitation should state that you will be providing things like food, lodging and transport but ultimately she must have sufficient funds to cover her entire trip. She should also provide a rough Itinerary for the period of time that she wants to visit Australia.

Remember you are not sponsoring your gf, merely providing an invitation which is one part of the overall package. The better prepared she is the better her chances are of having the visa granted.

Don't blame Immigration - blame the people that have scammed the system in the past which have made it more difficult for genuine people wanted to visit our wonderful country.

Good luck and if you need any further advice please let me know.

 

[Aussie in Thailand]

Further to my last post, you can either submit the visa on line using Immiaccount or go to the Trendy Building Sukhumvit Soi 13 and submit over the counter. If you go in person use the VIP service that they provide - for not much cost you get much better and more personalised service!

 

[ampk]

Post #2 is from a very wise Registered Migration Agent.

Pick out the key words he uses.

 

[wrussell]

Don't waste time in a review /appeal.

The refusal decision is not reviewable.

 

[rickfromaustralia]

Only some relatives can be sponsored, others can only be invited.
Once some missions refuse a visitor visa,they continue to refuse subsequent visas, no matter how strong the application.
It might pay you to consult a RMA who specialises in turning around visa refusals.

What a horribly misleading and deceptive response. As an RMA you should be utterly ashamed. You are basically saying that if an applicant adequately addresses the reasons for the refusal in a subsequent application it will be refused unless they use an RMA. You are exactly the kind of RMA's that the Government is targetting.

 

[rickfromaustralia]

Post #2 is from a very wise Registered Migration Agent.

Pick out the key words he uses.

That no matter how strong a subsequent application is, it will not be successful unless you use an RMA. Totally incorrect, and also misleading and deceptive.

An application is assessed against the criteria in the Migration Act and Regulations, and absolutely nowhere does it provide that an application "no matter how strong it is" will be refused unless you use an RMA. And that is exactly what the RMA has said.

 

[Dalel]

Only some relatives can be sponsored, others can only be invited.
Once some missions refuse a visitor visa,they continue to refuse subsequent visas, no matter how strong the application.
It might pay you to consult a RMA who specialises in turning around visa refusals.

What are the cost of RMA?

 

[ampk]

What are the cost of RMA?

It varies between RMA's and all depends on each case, but basically depends on the estimated hours they will need to spend on your case.

For this they basically need to see everything you submitted and then the refusal letter - from there they can see the areas that need attention or inform you your chances are not good to impossible.

For that part for a paid consultation expect to pay + $250 to $350ish. Then it depends on your case but if you proceed to use them the consultation is often subtracted from the quoted fee of the application.

 

[CCMS]

Posted by wrussell: It might pay you to consult a RMA who specialises in turning around visa refusals.

You are exactly the kind of RMA's that the Government is targetting.

According to official records, in 2018, out of 7000 MARA Registered Migration Agents agents, 8 were suspended and 34 faced penalties.

That is .1 % and .5 % respectively. Of course it would be better if there were none, but I think it doesn't compare badly with other industries.In fact, these figures are incredibly low.

Now if only the government would do something about the unregistered operators overseas and the ones that operate illegally in Australia with impunity. Maybe they could also have a look at all the people who consider themselves experts after successfully lodging their own application and blatanly provide migration advice by "sharing" (at a price) their insights on FB, blogs and websites.

I am pretty sure that none of the RMA's regularly posting on this forum are being "targeted" by the Government.

 

[ampk]

That no matter how strong a subsequent application is, it will not be successful unless you use an RMA. Totally incorrect, and also misleading and deceptive.

An application is assessed against the criteria in the Migration Act and Regulations, and absolutely nowhere does it provide that an application "no matter how strong it is" will be refused unless you use an RMA. And that is exactly what the RMA has said.

Not at all after a refusal I used a very good RMA that is also a lawyer, his application was excellent!

But the application was refused!

We were then told to leave a child behind and it will be approved (by the guy that approves them at the embassy) NO and I mean NO other information in the application was different from the refused one except one less child.

Hi Aaron -

I'm very sorry to report to you that DIBP has refused the visitor visa application - the attached just arrived.

My impression after reading the decision record is that their minds were already made up based on the recent refusal, and that they went hunting for any possible ways that they could defend what amounts to a pre-ordained decision. Their statement that "You have failed to submit any new evidence to show that the doubts about your circumstances and intentions are not justified." is very telling in this regard, and utterly false since we certainly submitted substantial new evidence - from what I can see they're basically lumping this with the previous refusal and then coming up with reasons to justify their decision and ignoring all the positive aspects of her application and the positive aspects of your invitation and support. I have to wonder whether they even took this application seriously, given how fast the turnaround was and the fact that they seem to justify their entire premise for refusal on aspects of the previous application.

They make absolutely no reference to any of the statements included, and absurdly claim that she has not demonstrated "strong employment" when we sent proof of a long-term job (which they acknowledged, but added the "claimed to be" phrase yet again) at a well-regarded institution, among other things.

The decision record is riddled with "claim to…" which infers an unproven claim, which is outrageous - "claim to be secondary school students"? This is a guilty-until-proven-innocent attitude where doubt is constantly injected into statements even in the face of incontrovertible, official, certified evidence. They also appear to be holding her limited previous international travel against her, rather than giving her credit for it.

Again, I'm sorry to have to deliver this bad news. I don't know of anything you or I could have done differently or better with this application and we both gave this everything we had. Given the attitude they have taken towards Vika and her children, basically of a "guilty until proven innocent" attitude regarding her intentions to temporarily visit Australia, convicted essentially on what she might do while here, while ignoring overwhelming evidence that supports her and your position. It's times like this that really get me angry about the "system" and blatantly unfair and wrong decisions like this one.

Please let me know if there's anything I can do to assist going forward. If you are considering a fiancé or partner visa, I would suggest a very careful approach as, based on this letter, their attitude towards VIka's claims is one of doubt and concern - that may very well carry over to other Australian visa application she may make. The best way to combat this generally is to spend as much time together with her as possible, whether it's in her home country or elsewhere.

Best,

Mark

 

[ampk]

Only some relatives can be sponsored, others can only be invited.

* this is a factual comment.

Once some missions refuse a visitor visa,they continue to refuse subsequent visas, no matter how strong the application.

* This seems very true regardless of a DIY or a RMA application at SOME missions

It might pay you to consult a RMA who specialises in turning around visa refusals.

* If you consult a RMA who specialises in turning around refusals they will not submit to all missions only ones that will change their minds. Russia generally is not one of them and I know there are others.

FYI South Africa use to turn around decisions on subsequent applications , but not sure currently.

 

[CCMS]

Speaking from personal experience: I often get contacted by people who have lodged several tourist visa applications themselves (or used some overseas "agent") and whose applications were refused every time. When I subsequently lodge a well prepared, well documented application for them, in most cases they are approved.

It is not just a matter of the visa being assessed against the criteria of the Migration Act and Regulations. Those criteria are very general in nature.
Experienced Registered Migration Agents will address specific criteria, based on the applicant's circumstances. They are also aware of any additional requirements that a particular processing centre may have. Again, this is not something you will find in the legislation.

With some processing centres (especially those dealing with "high risk" nationalities) it seems to be a bit of a lottery. However, having an application professionally prepared is likely to improve your chances .Likewise,you are much less likely to run foul of the tax department,if your tax return has been prepared by an accountant.

 

[Dalel]

What are the cost of RMA?

It varies between RMA's and all depends on each case, but basically depends on the estimated hours they will need to spend on your case.

For this they basically need to see everything you submitted and then the refusal letter - from there they can see the areas that need attention or inform you your chances are not good to impossible.

For that part for a paid consultation expect to pay + $250 to $350ish. Then it depends on your case but if you proceed to use them the consultation is often subtracted from the quoted fee of the application.

Thank you for the reply.
We haven't lodged our visa yet, we are still gathering documents and the informations they need.

I was wondering if we lodged the visa our selves, do we stand a chance? Since I have a heavy visa overstay overseas, but my spouse is legal who have been approved for skilled migration visa 189... And we are trying to build a new life in Australia.

 

[ampk]

I really do not know.

But normally with some good homework applications can be successful.

Your overstay will certainly need to be addressed.

Personally I would get some assistance from an RMA in the form of a initial paid consultation as a minimum.

 

[Surin]

Once some missions refuse a visitor visa,they continue to refuse subsequent visas, no matter how strong the application.

* This seems very true regardless of a DIY or a RMA application at SOME missions

It might pay you to consult a RMA who specialises in turning around visa refusals.

* If you consult a RMA who specialises in turning around refusals they will not submit to all missions only ones that will change their minds. Russia generally is not one of them and I know there are others.

FYI South Africa use to turn around decisions on subsequent applications , but not sure currently.

There are no issues with reapplying after a refusal with Bangkok as long as the refusal is addressed in the new application.

 

[ampk]

There are no issues with reapplying after a refusal with Bangkok as long as the refusal is addressed in the new application.

But the thing to remember is not ALL reasons for refusal are noted in the rejection letters - nor are they required to be.

Knowing the regulations that need to be meet and the departments policy as contained in PAM3 are what helps in getting a visa approved. So while the regulations are easily available you are simply guessing how the department interpenetrates them - PAM3 explains how they are currently meant to be interpenetrated by department staff and gives examples of certain things. Have you read the current PAM3 for the Visitor Visa?