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Hello,

Maybe it was asked before, but having searched the entire forum, I could not find up-to-date info regarding comparison between CA and AU.


I am a Materials Engineer from Turkey Istanbul.
We (wife and 3 years old daughter) have granted our PR visas both from AU and CA few months ago. We have visited both countries to complete our soft landings and to explore them in order to decide where to move.
I have been working in project management & procurement fields in several multinational projects, but I am about to lose my job here, and that would be perfect timing for me to look for new opportunities in a new country. My wife will have to improve her English, therefore, she will not planning to work at least for the first year.

Actually, it is not an easy decision since we liked both AU and CA in different ways. As far as we understood and learned from several sources like internet forums and some friends, both countries have pros and cons as below.

AU (Brisbane, Sydney)
++We have a few good friends in AU.
++The climate is moch more better .
++Minimum wages and average wages are higher.
++You may have reasonable life standards by working in survival/casual jobs till finding a professional one with a better salary.
--Engineering & engineering-related job ads are relatively far less than CA.
--Economy is not good. Not much manufacturing, but mining, IT and service industry based.
--It is way too far to Istanbul, also remote from the rest of the world
--It is seem to be becoming politically harsh to the immigrants, laws and regulations are being considered to harden
--The citizenship procedure takes minimum 4 years. Government is also trying to make it harder.

CA (Toronto)
++It is much more easy (half price, half time) to travel from Istanbul. Not remote from the world.
++it is also close to USA for business opportunuties or touristic visits, etc.
++More engineering & engineering-related job ads are being published than AU
++Economy seems stronger, more diverse compared to AU.
++Politically more open & welcoming to immigrants.
++Citizenship can be obtained in 3 years. Just reduced from 4 years.
--Climate is far worse than AU. Very harsh winters for us considering ourselves as Aegean.
--We do not have any close friends there.
--Minimum wages are lower than AU.
--Casual & survival jobs may not be enough to survive for a family with kid.
--Finding a professional job may be very difficult (heard that it can take 1 to 2 years!).

As a result, we were considering to move to AU, firstly for economical and secondly for climatic factors. But in the meantime, some of our friends in Canada are also confusing us by expressing that how happy they are in CA.

What do you think?
Do you agree or disagree to our choice?
Would you add anything or do you have any objection to the pros and cons list?
Do you have any advice for us?

Taking this kind of decision for the future of our family is really very tough and becoming really stressfull for us. Therefore, we would like to crosscheck our decision in different ways as much as possible.
I am well aware that this is an Australia forum, but since we are all trying to be immigrants, you may had been through this "country choosing process", therefore your opinion would be very valuable for us.

Thank you!
 

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Hello,

Maybe it was asked before, but having searched the entire forum, I could not find up-to-date info regarding comparison between CA and AU.

I am a Materials Engineer from Turkey Istanbul.
We (wife and 3 years old daughter) have granted our PR visas both from AU and CA few months ago. We have visited both countries to complete our soft landings and to explore them in order to decide where to move.
I have been working in project management & procurement fields in several multinational projects, but I am about to lose my job here, and that would be perfect timing for me to look for new opportunities in a new country. My wife will have to improve her English, therefore, she will not planning to work at least for the first year.

Actually, it is not an easy decision since we liked both AU and CA in different ways. As far as we understood and learned from several sources like internet forums and some friends, both countries have pros and cons as below.

AU (Brisbane, Sydney)
++We have a few good friends in AU.
++The climate is moch more better .
++Minimum wages and average wages are higher.
++You may have reasonable life standards by working in survival/casual jobs till finding a professional one with a better salary.
--Engineering & engineering-related job ads are relatively far less than CA.
--Economy is not good. Not much manufacturing, but mining, IT and service industry based.
--It is way too far to Istanbul, also remote from the rest of the world
--It is seem to be becoming politically harsh to the immigrants, laws and regulations are being considered to harden
--The citizenship procedure takes minimum 4 years. Government is also trying to make it harder.

CA (Toronto)
++It is much more easy (half price, half time) to travel from Istanbul. Not remote from the world.
++it is also close to USA for business opportunuties or touristic visits, etc.
++More engineering & engineering-related job ads are being published than AU
++Economy seems stronger, more diverse compared to AU.
++Politically more open & welcoming to immigrants.
++Citizenship can be obtained in 3 years. Just reduced from 4 years.
--Climate is far worse than AU. Very harsh winters for us considering ourselves as Aegean.
--We do not have any close friends there.
--Minimum wages are lower than AU.
--Casual & survival jobs may not be enough to survive for a family with kid.
--Finding a professional job may be very difficult (heard that it can take 1 to 2 years!).

As a result, we were considering to move to AU, firstly for economical and secondly for climatic factors. But in the meantime, some of our friends in Canada are also confusing us by expressing that how happy they are in CA.

What do you think?
Do you agree or disagree to our choice?
Would you add anything or do you have any objection to the pros and cons list?
Do you have any advice for us?

Taking this kind of decision for the future of our family is really very tough and becoming really stressfull for us. Therefore, we would like to crosscheck our decision in different ways as much as possible.
I am well aware that this is an Australia forum, but since we are all trying to be immigrants, you may had been through this "country choosing process", therefore your opinion would be very valuable for us.

Thank you!
As a Canadian who has spent his whole life in Canada and only been to Australia for under a month, I can tell you I would choose Australia every day of the week and it's why we are going there rather than my partner getting her PR here.

Don't forget, in Canada, you won't have 4 weeks of annual leave. You will be lucky if you have two weeks of paid vacation per year.
 
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I am an Australian citizen, and have been living in Canada for the last two years. Whilst it is beautiful here (I live in Vancouver Island), the low wages, limited annual vacation and in some places unpaid sick leave has been a massive thing to adapt to.

I move back to Australia in just over a week.

Both incredible countries - but I think Australia to me is much more easy to get by. It is probably a bad assessment as I have lived in Australia since I was born and may seem biased. But just my two cents.
 

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Wow, two PR grants - Very fortuitous.
Canada is highly accommodating to newcomers - I can attest to this based on my work experience.
Winters are not as bad as you may think - perhaps research this further... while it might not be like Australia, it certainly has it's share of versatility and summers are quite pleasant.
Minimum wage is increasing.
Benefits given to young families are solid.
Health care system is public (at present).
Lastly, you will make new friends, Canadians are generally nice people.
I have not lived in Australia long enough to comment on their design as it would strictly be an opinion instead of being fact-based.
 
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