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Hello,

I had an idea. We will be in Sydney in May so we will be collecting our documents and having an hour long meeting with an immigration lawyer to look through everything.

I notice there are three documents form 47SP and 47A and 40SP (found on the VFS global website)

If I print these out and fill them out BEFORE we go to Australia, will this make the lawyers job easier?

Are these relevant forms? Any other forms I should print out and fill out?

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Matt, Lanen, and Edward
 

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Do not use an immigration lawyer, use a registered migration agent (RMA). Often one will be both but you are looking for an RMA.

You do not need to wait to get to Australia to meet with an RMA. You can contact them anytime from anywhere about what you are trying to do. They can arrange communication via email, phone, and even Skype.

Better to talk with one first and see what they'll need from you if you're planning to go that route. There are several RMAs that frequent this forum who have been used by other users and are highly recommended. There's a sticky at the top of the forum above these threads.
 

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Do not use an immigration lawyer, use a registered migration agent (RMA). Often one will be both but you are looking for an RMA.

You do not need to wait to get to Australia to meet with an RMA. You can contact them anytime from anywhere about what you are trying to do. They can arrange communication via email, phone, and even Skype.

Better to talk with one first and see what they'll need from you if you're planning to go that route. There are several RMAs that frequent this forum who have been used by other users and are highly recommended. There's a sticky at the top of the forum above these threads.
Thanks for the reply,
This guy is a lawyer and an RMA.
I don't see the difference between meeting in person and skyping with him? I'm going to visit my Mum in May, and the RMA is 10 minutes from my house. My wife and I are the sort of people who prefers face to face communication. Mum will baby-sit Edward, and we'll go to the migration agent and have zero distractions.
 

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Explaining those forms at the airport on arrival, would be interesting.
I'm an Australian citizen going to my Mums for my son's birthday in May. Is it a crime in Australia to carry these documents with me? If so, then I can fill them out here in Taiwan, and print them at Mum's place and take them to the migration agent.
 

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No problem for you, different story for your wife. Intention to apply for another visa is not a provision for a Visitor Visa, the Genuine Temporary Entrant requirement would be breached and that could lead to refused entry.

I don't know if that has other repercussions for future visa applications or not.
 

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No problem for you, different story for your wife. Intention to apply for another visa is not a provision for a Visitor Visa, the Genuine Temporary Entrant requirement would be breached and that could lead to refused entry.

I don't know if that has other repercussions for future visa applications or not.
Thanks. I'll just email all the documents to mum and print them at her place. There's nothing wrong with that, right? We won't be applying for the visa until we return to Taiwan.
 

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Nothing wrong either way, just letting you know of things you need to beware about. Email will be better but they can also (if they want) access info like this from your smart phone.

Again just giving you information, not saying they will hound you at the airport. But if they did you would need to explain the forms and your answers need to be inline with policy (you don't get to see).

I have no doubt that Immigration follow this forum, so they should see your intent is an offshore application. If your intentions were not that, you would be easy to find.

Your name is Matt (or Mathew) you have lived in Taiwan since 2009 and been married to Lanen for over 1 year.

The 2 of you will be travelling with your son (Edward) from Taiwan to Sydney in May, your son will have 2 passports and will be turning 1 in May.

Your son has entered Australia before in August 2017, the likely hood is very high all 3 of you travelled together on that trip.

That info is more than enough for immigration to exactly identify your family and flag you on arrival.

In your case your intentions seem clear, so I expect they would have little interest in you. Others need to be very careful of info they give out.
 

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My intention is never to do anything illegal, I just want to have a face to face meeting with a migration agent to figure out if we are on the right track. If bringing papers to Australia is illegal, then scrap that idea. I thought by bringing papers to the migration specialist, it'd make his job easier, that's all.
 

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Nothing wrong either way, just letting you know of things you need to beware about. Email will be better but they can also (if they want) access info like this from your smart phone.

Again just giving you information, not saying they will hound you at the airport. But if they did you would need to explain the forms and your answers need to be inline with policy (you don't get to see).

I have no doubt that Immigration follow this forum, so they should see your intent is an offshore application. If your intentions were not that, you would be easy to find.

Your name is Matt (or Mathew) you have lived in Taiwan since 2009 and been married to Lanen for over 1 year.

The 2 of you will be travelling with your son (Edward) from Taiwan to Sydney in May, your son will have 2 passports and will be turning 1 in May.

Your son has entered Australia before in August 2017, the likely hood is very high all 3 of you travelled together on that trip.

That info is more than enough for immigration to exactly identify your family and flag you on arrival.

In your case your intentions seem clear, so I expect they would have little interest in you. Others need to be very careful of info they give out.
I'm completely with you on that, don't worry. As I just explained, my intention was to bring the papers to make the specialists job easier. Now I know it's illegal, I'll scrap that plan. Yes, our plan was to lodge offshore, not onshore, all I wanted was advice from the specialist. Is it illegal to get advice about a visa application offshore , when you are onshore?
 

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Nothing wrong either way, just letting you know of things you need to beware about. Email will be better but they can also (if they want) access info like this from your smart phone.

Again just giving you information, not saying they will hound you at the airport. But if they did you would need to explain the forms and your answers need to be inline with policy (you don't get to see).

I have no doubt that Immigration follow this forum, so they should see your intent is an offshore application. If your intentions were not that, you would be easy to find.

Your name is Matt (or Mathew) you have lived in Taiwan since 2009 and been married to Lanen for over 1 year.

The 2 of you will be travelling with your son (Edward) from Taiwan to Sydney in May, your son will have 2 passports and will be turning 1 in May.

Your son has entered Australia before in August 2017, the likely hood is very high all 3 of you travelled together on that trip.

That info is more than enough for immigration to exactly identify your family and flag you on arrival.

In your case your intentions seem clear, so I expect they would have little interest in you. Others need to be very careful of info they give out.
So do you recommend going to the migration specialist with no documentation at all?
 

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It is not illegal to carry the forms, but you need to have correct answers if asked about them. There are no restrictions on what you do in Australia, your wife's activities need to be inline with the that of a Visitor Visa grant.
 

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I'm completely with you on that, don't worry. As I just explained, my intention was to bring the papers to make the specialists job easier. Now I know it's illegal, I'll scrap that plan. Yes, our plan was to lodge offshore, not onshore, all I wanted was advice from the specialist. Is it illegal to get advice about a visa application offshore , when you are onshore?
Of course it is not illegal. Why not fill out the forms electronically and email them to your agent in advance, so they have time to review them before your consultation.
 

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It is not illegal to carry the forms, but you need to have correct answers if asked about them. There are no restrictions on what you do in Australia, your wife's activities need to be inline with the that of a Visitor Visa grant.
I think we may bite the bullet and just pay for a migration specialist offshore. Doing it myself seems really stressful and wrought with complications. I don't feel like jousting with the immigration department. :-(
 

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Of course it is not illegal. Why not fill out the forms electronically and email them to your agent in advance, so they have time to review them before your consultation.
Nick, thanks for the reply. That was my intention with bringing the forms on paper, but yes, electronically is a good idea, if that's ok. I'm old school and I like paper that I can write on and highlight any parts I don't understand.
 

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I personally feel an Australian based RMA will be the most knowledgeable person in matters of Australian immigration.

It really would be best to just contact them now via email. If you still want to meet with them face to face, you can do it when it is relevant. Imagine getting there and you did things incorrectly and now the RMA tells you you need to go back and fix this or that or acquire this form or that... a lot of things with migrating to Australia takes time, especially going the partner visa route. You're better contacting them now and getting an idea of the entire process and what they'll need you to do BEFORE the appointment when you meet in person.

But that's just my opinion.

Even my doctor reviews my file before every appointment so that he is better prepared for the appointment.
 

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I personally feel an Australian based RMA will be the most knowledgeable person in matters of Australian immigration.

It really would be best to just contact them now via email. If you still want to meet with them face to face, you can do it when it is relevant. Imagine getting there and you did things incorrectly and now the RMA tells you you need to go back and fix this or that or acquire this form or that... a lot of things with migrating to Australia takes time, especially going the partner visa route. You're better contacting them now and getting an idea of the entire process and what they'll need you to do BEFORE the appointment when you meet in person.

But that's just my opinion.

Even my doctor reviews my file before every appointment so that he is better prepared for the appointment.
Yes, I agree too. You are right. I spoke to my wife and I think we'll just contact and pay for a migration agent. I don't want complications. It's far easier.
 
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