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and so the Australian citizenship?


Hi everyone!

I was considering moving to Australia for job opportunities, but Is it a good choice?

As every young man I'm some kind affraid of taking such decisions, I'm brazilian/colombian, living in Europe (France and Germany) I've been living here for nearly 9 years (5 in France and nearly 3 in Germany)
In both countries I have friends and jobs opportunities, I speak besides Spanish and Portuguese, fluent French and German and off course English ..


So the think is that I want to go to Australia, move, migrate if you want, on recognised graduate visa, but I'm really scared of llosing everything I built here, that visa is for 18 months after that I don't know if I could stay and so, loosing the opportunity to come back to Europe.

People I've spoken to, (Mainly some singapurians found in work) and even non white frenchs that were in Australia, told me that people was racist and there is an institutional racism, and only whites english speaking people are entitled to obtain a Permanent Residence permit..

So I'm very frustrated because I don't know what to do, here in Europe, there is no racism, race is what matter less, France has people from all over the world for exemple and all are considered french, even the "National party' (far right) don't claim on race issues...

But what about Australia, I'm affraid to accept moving there and being marginalised and gethoised, I fear that because here I've never experienced that. I'm skilled engineer but what should I do?

I also fear after this visa (18 months) I could'n stay in Australia further and if so I'would have loose my european residence permit..

So is Australia only good for holidays but I should not move there ?
 

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Hi -

Would suggest you thoroughly check out the job scene for your occupation. Race is not an issue in migration - in fact, the form does not even have a question to determine what race you are. English language skill is certainly a consideration, especially for skilled visas.

Hope this helps -

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Mark Northam
 

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Simply not true. Whoever told u that lies. We are very multicultural here. U will find the only people most of us don't like are boat people who come here illegally and have plenty of money but want to rort the system so what those people might see as racism is simply because we don't like queue jumpers (I'm not talking about genuine refugees just the ones who lie and throw away their ids and pay $10k to go on a boat from Malaysia).everyone else we welcome with open arms no matter what colour, though we do expect u to at least try and learn English if u have been here a while. Anyone can get pr
 

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I'm not sure where you heard that only white English speaking can qualify for PR, but it's definitely false.

Racism is everywhere unfortunately. Even in France where we hear there is controversy over Muslims wearing traditional face coverings.
 

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But

for example, it could sound rude, but is that true that australians don't like non-white people? they yell on you thing like "fuking wog" opnely in the streets??

Sorry for asking that, is just that I really want to know before making any decision, being a brazilian/colombian so a "non-white" and fearing face that kind of situations, I'm myself very peaceful and don't like agressive people as anyone, so be sincere please

THANKS
 

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How many true blue, dinky di Aussies have friends who are of a non-Anglo migrant background? As in 'speaks with an accent, Fresh-Off-The-Boat, speaks another language at home, follows another religion'. The token 'non-Aussie' would only be accepted in the group if they agree with and conform to the Aussie's mindset, any resistance will be seen as a threat to their precious way of life. Aussie employers, how often have you employed someone of a non-Anglo background through a system of fairness (ie. the 'foreigner' is the best qualified based on his CV) and not because they serve a purpose in your devious plan of world domination (ie. we need a 'foreigner' who is from 'x' country and speaks 'x' language because we need to tap into the market of 'x' country, or this 'foreigner' might be easier to manipulate and control as an employee). Having a foreign last name is literally a death sentence in the workplace.



is that true too? o_O
 

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If you have great life and job in Europe just like you said, why move to Aussie?
Do you have a problem with it?

I want to move because the whether, I like 4x4 sports and here in Europe I can't do it as often as I would...

So I think I love the outside lifestyle of Australia, really I would live in Regional Australia, close to the beach though (50km or so) go to 4x4 adventure on the Outback, have an open space house far from cities ...

So why would it bother you? would you say the same if I were anglo-celtic?
 

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I have to actually feel somewhat that this post is just trying to stir up drama!!

I have spent a bit of time in Germany and France and can promise you there is most definitely racism in both countries. I can also promise you that you will encounter a lot more people of different nationalities here in Australia than you ever would in Germany as France.

I am a forth generation Australian and I have Greek friends, Lebanese friends, Sri Lankan friends, British friends, Kenyan friends, Brazilian friends...all of them live their lives without being affected by racism. And if you ask any of them they will say one of the things they love most about Australia is how multi cultural it is.
 
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I have to actually feel somewhat that this post is just trying to stir up drama!!

I have spent a bit of time in Germany and France and can promise you there is most definitely racism in both countries. I can also promise you that you will encounter a lot more people of different nationalities here in Australia than you ever would in Germany as France.

I am a forth generation Australian and I have Greek friends, Lebanese friends, Sri Lankan friends, British friends, Kenyan friends, Brazilian friends...all of them live their lives without being affected by racism. And if you ask any of them they will say one of the things they love most about Australia is how multi cultural it is.
But when you say "greek friends, italian, etc " you mean australians of that background or really australians of that origin?

I ask it because it sound like even if you get the citizenship, one could be considered as an outsider and even one's children born in Australia would face it that way ...

And in Germany there is 6 millions of foreigners or so and in France 10 millions are french of different backgrounds + 5 millions immigrants ...
 

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They have either come over here very recently so have an accent, have a different religion, have parents that speak little English or they were born in Australian with parents who migrated over.

No one I know treats anyone any different because of the color of their skin, their religion, their accent or their background. I'm certainly not saying that there is no racism at all in Australia because that isn't true - racism is everywhere. You certainly will not have someone shouting racist remarks at you in the street. And if someone did the people in the street would be horrified by what that person was saying just as much as the person whom the racist marks were being directed at.
 

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I will also add that you mention Germany having 6 million migrants - yet their population is over 80 million people (less than 10% migrants)! In France you say that there is 5 million migrants - yet they have a population of over 65 million (less than10%)! Both of these countries are in the EU which have a heck of a lot more free movement than Australia.

Yet - with Australia's small 22 million population 6 million people were born overseas in 2012 - that's 27% of the total population of a country which does not have free movement like the EU.

I'd suggest you do some further research before coming onto a forum at sating things like "... any resistance will be seen as a threat to their precious way of life.." and "...and not because they serve a purpose in your devious plan of world domination.."
 

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I'm going to call troll on this one.
Who outside Australia knows the phrase "true blue dinky di Aussie"? I'm from the UK, was dating an Aussie for several months and never heard anyone say dinky di until I'd been living in Sydney for a while.
(On a side note, not long after arriving my boyfriend said we were going to have dinner with a friend who lived in woop woop. When he got home I had to ask him where that was because I couldn't find it on google maps).
 

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I am Brazilian and Australian, so let try to clarify the subject as much as possible:

1.As much as I can see there is no discrimination whatsoever to get a PR in Australia, it is pretty much a matter of proving your qualifications.

2. Socially speaking, I could not feel any discrimination more than I have found anywhere else in the world.

3. Professionally speaking, yes, you have some grounds to be suspicious:
3.1.As presented by a study of ANU ( news.anu.edu.au - 2009/06/17/ minorities-find-it-harder-to-get-jobs ) there is discrimination on job selection.
Once broken this barrier, I can guarantee that there is no discrimination at the workplace. I worked with a South African, Vietnamese, Philipinean, Indonesian and of course, Australians without any problem.
3.2. As an engineer, newspapers are pointing out that is happening a decrease of activity on the mining sector; accounting jobs are being outsourced to India, Pakistan and Philippines; Retail is suffering strong competition from on-line suppliers and reducing headcount. All that makes job searching a daunting task to anyone, Australian or not. But then again, these problems seems to be worldwide and not only local.
3.3. If you search a job engine (e.g.: Seek, mycareer, etc) you'll realize that multi language skills play a much smaller role in Australia than Europe (for obvious reasons), so that will not be a major differential.

In short, given GFC and other crisis that happened throughout the world, I would say that if you have someone sponsoring you to come to Australia, fantastic, it is a beautiful place to be.
But the world job market has shrunk since 2008, therefore I wouldn't make a jump now if you have steady offers anywhere else.

If you decide to do so, my best wishes of a safe and joyful landing Downunder.
 

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There certainly is n't any restriction on "non-whites" becoming permanent residents. In fact, if you had taken care to do simple search, you would have found that the two major countries from where Australia is getting migrants are India and China. Definitely not white countries.

Racism is present everywhere in the world to some extent. I have lived in Asia, Europe, US and am now living in Australia. I have seen more racism in France than any of the other places. I have found Australia to be a decent place. I have found no racism in the workplace (depends on your industry of course) and very little outside. I depends on where you live. I live in Sydney metro area and this place is as multi-cultural as it gets.
 

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I'm going to call troll on this one.
Who outside Australia knows the phrase "true blue dinky di Aussie"? I'm from the UK, was dating an Aussie for several months and never heard anyone say dinky di until I'd been living in Sydney for a while.
(On a side note, not long after arriving my boyfriend said we were going to have dinner with a friend who lived in woop woop. When he got home I had to ask him where that was because I couldn't find it on google maps).
What I wrote was a citation you know I copy and paste it from another internet site that talks about racist issues in mainstream and everyday life in Australia
 

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There certainly is n't any restriction on "non-whites" becoming permanent residents. In fact, if you had taken care to do simple search, you would have found that the two major countries from where Australia is getting migrants are India and China. Definitely not white countries.

Racism is present everywhere in the world to some extent. I have lived in Asia, Europe, US and am now living in Australia. I have seen more racism in France than any of the other places. I have found Australia to be a decent place. I have found no racism in the workplace (depends on your industry of course) and very little outside. I depends on where you live. I live in Sydney metro area and this place is as multi-cultural as it gets.
That's false, UK immigrants and NZ immigrants have almost the double of each in proportion.

Indians and Chinese are tarjeted as "high risk countries" so visas are not given to them, an excuse for being not white?

And in the other hand I don't see any indian or chinese be successful or rich, so what they make there? unskilled jobs? even having th qualifications and studies?

Anyway, I don't know what to think, I meet some australians here in europe, and they laught about chinese and when a chinese passes they say things like "chin chong chin chon" and that is here when the takes holidays so I couldn't even image how is in Australia where is their country and police allow that kind of behavour..

So well, I think Australia is not for me, sorry bother everyone here, I could be paranoid but I don't want to live in an apartheid country and feel any discrimination against me....

This was just a crazy idea that crossed my mind but ... reading all think on internet about disgusting experiences of immigrants that lived in Australia... I have enough.

Only feel sorry for Aboriginal people, and immigrants who went there without advise of racism
 

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I don't understand the purpose of your rant. You are not willing to look at statistics and going on like a moron about UK and NZ sending the most migrants. In 2012-13, Australia got 40000 migrants from India, 27000 from China and 21000 from UK. New Zealand was not even in the top 10 countries. I am talking about migrants here, not tourists or people on working visas. As for the rich and successful part, as you are not in Australia, how can you say Indians and Chinese are doing low end job even though they are highly educated???? I see plently of India taxi drivers here, but most of them are students or have got some not-in-demand qualifications. I am an Indian and I easily make much more than what an average Australian makes. It all depends on your skills. If there is a demand for your skills, then you will get the job.

I can go on an on, but a rant in response to another rant is hardly justified. Since you have made up your mind about Australia, I wish you best of luck with whatever you do.
 
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