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Hi there

My partner and I consulted a migration agent last week for details pertaining to our application (we are submitting ourselves), and he advised us that there may be changes to the partner visa stream currently going through the upper house. He mentioned that the outcome may be a change in the submission process whereby the sponsor would have to apply and be approved first, before the applicant can put in his 820/801 application on the back of the first application.

Is this information accurate? And if so:

1. Would anyone have an estimate of the timeline pertaining to the changes being voted on, and enacted?

2. What other changes are being discussed, if any?

We are getting close to completing our application and were aiming to submit within 10 days however given my current substantial visa expires in just above 2 weeks, if these changes were to take effect I may fall in limbo as my partner's sponsor application would unlikely be granted before the end of my visa. Needless to say we would rather not rush the submission if these changes are unlikely to happen within that period.

Any information and references much appreciated.

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Tom
 

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They tried to get this change last year mate, but postponed it to this year.

Not sure when it will be heard but it was being put in under part of the Domestic Violence changes.

Again I don't know how far it has passed thru government/s but there is often little warning.

If you only have 14 days left on your current Visa - I know what I would be doing over Easter.
 

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Hi there

My partner and I consulted a migration agent last week for details pertaining to our application (we are submitting ourselves), and he advised us that there may be changes to the partner visa stream currently going through the upper house. He mentioned that the outcome may be a change in the submission process whereby the sponsor would have to apply and be approved first, before the applicant can put in his 820/801 application on the back of the first application.

Is this information accurate? And if so:

1. Would anyone have an estimate of the timeline pertaining to the changes being voted on, and enacted?

2. What other changes are being discussed, if any?

We are getting close to completing our application and were aiming to submit within 10 days however given my current substantial visa expires in just above 2 weeks, if these changes were to take effect I may fall in limbo as my partner's sponsor application would unlikely be granted before the end of my visa. Needless to say we would rather not rush the submission if these changes are unlikely to happen within that period.

Any information and references much appreciated.

Best,

Tom
As far as I know the House of Representatives will not be sitting again until 8 May 2018 and the Senate will not be sitting again until 21 May 2108. I have heard nothing further about when these changes will be discussed or implemented and I can't see it happen anytime soon.

Either way, you should lodge the application as soon as you can. Don't leave it to the last moment, as the ImmiAccount system can be quite unreliable.

Sponsors are now required to provide police certificates for all countries where they have spent a total of 12 months or more during the past 10 years.If there are any recorded offences you will be asked for an explanation.
 
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Hi Nick

Thanks for your reply. We are very close to completion however we would like to lay out all the information as seamlessly as possible and make it easy for the CO to browse through the documents. At this stage we are thinking of providing only a handful of PDFs, each indexed at the top with links to the relevant information within the document (i.e. perhaps one PDF for each key criteria, one with a timeline of our relationship and links to flights, emails etc.).

We are under the impression that good presentation is key to fast(er) processing, however the above will take some time to format. I definitely do not intend to submit on the last day however a few extra days would help rather than rushing it in.

Re: police check, my partner already has one. We are just getting down to the finer details and polishing everything...

Thanks again for weighing in on this.
 

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I like the way you are thinking about the file composition. I’m just concerned it may be too advanced for your average case officer and won’t display well within the ImmiAccount environment. You definitely want to upload birth certificates , passports etc. as seperate files, each with their own slot.
 
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Yes once you pay and can upload things and the sponsor section can be done, you will see your planning wont be as relevant as you think.

It is almost like 2 sections. The first is individual uploads of the "recommended" items such as birth certificates, passports and a few other.

Then is the other area that you can combine into a single PDF in parts of category - but is it best to??

What seems best is a combination of some combining of files but also some single files that relate to several areas - but with clear naming of all uploads.
 

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At my most recent CPD (last month) I was told to expect November.
It's going to cause a lot of complications and heartache.
 

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Is that a discussion Westly?

Hot with good info lately!
I spend about 40% of my professional time trying to keep up with the never ending changes and when reviewing judicial rulings that bore it up the department of racialism (or fail to do so) are taken into account 40% is not enough. I am working to invent the 48-hour day.
 

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Yes once you pay and can upload things and the sponsor section can be done, you will see your planning wont be as relevant as you think.

It is almost like 2 sections. The first is individual uploads of the "recommended" items such as birth certificates, passports and a few other.

Then is the other area that you can combine into a single PDF in parts of category - but is it best to??

What seems best is a combination of some combining of files but also some single files that relate to several areas - but with clear naming of all uploads.
A friend has sent me a screenshot of his dashboard on the Immi portal, I now understand what you mean. We were planning on submitting single PDFs for each of us containing all our personal files (i.e. passport, birth certificate, police check etc.) but I guess we now will not be doing this.

Where I feel our idea may still hold some weight is in relation to the relationship statement. We were planning to submit essentially powerpoint slides (however in pdf format) with a timeline at the top and one or more slide for each time point including photos, emails, booking confirmations and the likes. We thought this would be most effective in giving the CO a clear idea of the progression of our relationship, to cross-reference the chronology in our relationship statement.

Equally, we intended to submit a single indexed file for each of the 4 key criteria (household, finances, commitment, social).

Would you advise against it?

About the key criteria, I could see some overlap between some criteria in relation to specific files (e.g. a statement from our savings account showing we have merged our personal savings - this relates to both finances and commitment). My partner is concerned that using the same file in multiple categories could look like buffer instead of what I intend it to be - exhaustive.

I feel like the assessment process is essentially a box-ticking exercise, and therefore if information that is relevant to one category (A) is placed in another one (B), it may be more susceptible of being overlooked in weighing into the former (A).

Again, the intent behind these concerns is to break down the work for the CO as much as possible however I am happy to be told otherwise...

On this note, I have not yet found any specific resource on the forum in relation to formatting and presentation however if there is a good thread in that regard, I would highly appreciate a link to it.

Thank you all for your replies, I hope this will go to help other users.

Best,

Tom
 

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A friend has sent me a screenshot of his dashboard on the Immi portal, I now understand what you mean. We were planning on submitting single PDFs for each of us containing all our personal files (i.e. passport, birth certificate, police check etc.) but I guess we now will not be doing this.

Where I feel our idea may still hold some weight is in relation to the relationship statement. We were planning to submit essentially powerpoint slides (however in pdf format) with a timeline at the top and one or more slide for each time point including photos, emails, booking confirmations and the likes. We thought this would be most effective in giving the CO a clear idea of the progression of our relationship, to cross-reference the chronology in our relationship statement.

Equally, we intended to submit a single indexed file for each of the 4 key criteria (household, finances, commitment, social).

Would you advise against it?

About the key criteria, I could see some overlap between some criteria in relation to specific files (e.g. a statement from our savings account showing we have merged our personal savings - this relates to both finances and commitment). My partner is concerned that using the same file in multiple categories could look like buffer instead of what I intend it to be - exhaustive.

I feel like the assessment process is essentially a box-ticking exercise, and therefore if information that is relevant to one category (A) is placed in another one (B), it may be more susceptible of being overlooked in weighing into the former (A).

Again, the intent behind these concerns is to break down the work for the CO as much as possible however I am happy to be told otherwise...

On this note, I have not yet found any specific resource on the forum in relation to formatting and presentation however if there is a good thread in that regard, I would highly appreciate a link to it.

Thank you all for your replies, I hope this will go to help other users.

Best,

Tom
I believe you are over-thinking this and making it overly complicated. I think you are also over-estimating the ability of case officers to deal with what you are suggesting.

Keep it simple: passports, birth certificates and the like should all be uploaded as separate files (if multiple pages, combine into one single pdf file). With the relationship evidence, combine similar items into a single file (bank statements, text messages, photos), but upload them as seperate items.

You have sixty slots each, so plenty of room. Instead of there being files with multiple items and links, there will be just a list of separate items that can be easily accessed.

Don't worry too much about the various categories. Most evidence is self-explanatory; a bank statement is obviously "financial" and a family gathering is obviously "social".

The main thing is to provide everything required in an orderly fashion, clearly label the files and make sure they are decent quality scans in the correct format and lay-out (not side-ways or upside down).

You can always include a submission referring to all the evidence provided and how this is relevant to the application and hope someone will read it (they usually ignore it).

Also don't be surprised or disappointed if you get asked (sometimes several times) to provide documents you have already included...
 

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Think about your audience. You don't know what technical background the CO will have so doing anything more than a Table of Contents as the first page of the pdf and documents following it may be lost on them. I still know quite a few people who work with computers and still don't realize there may be multiple tabs in one excel spreadsheet.

Don't supply the same document multiple times, even if it falls into more than one category. Just pick the most relevant category.

I found using MS Publisher and creating our relationship timeline in a magazine style layout easier than Powerpoint slides. It came out to 4 or 5 pages long, 1-4 photos per page and a short paragraph or two as description. Each page had a title (how we first met, holidays, engagement/wedding, etc) to break it down. Very simple for anyone to skim through and get a complete overview of our relationship in less than 10 min in a single pdf. For our statements, we just answered the questions in the narrative boxes in the online forms.

Rule of thumb: combine like relationship evidence but upload the required items on the visa checklist (immigration website) individually. So passport is one pdf, each Form 888 is its own pdf, birth certificate is its own pdf, etc.
 

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Don't forget the file size is technically 5MB, but I have had 4.98MB and it was not accepted and had to be reduced.

You need to think about your audience. You need to supply your documents for someone who has only basic computer skills to be on the safe side. Also the risk of putting too many different things in one document is that they miss the items at the end because the have closed the file before looking at everything.
 
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