It really doesn't matter now. It's been refused and there is no way we can come up with $1600 to appeal it in the timeframe we have been given. What I really want to know is it really a 32 month ban on applying for other visas now this has been refused. When my husband rang and enquired they told him this but I can't find that info anywhere. If so, they have successful manage to break all of our hearts. It's too much to ask of my children to have such instability in their lives for another 3 years.