[chrislane99]

My Thai fiancee and I are desperate to be together. It was suggested to apply for a PMV 300, then a Visitor 600 after acceptance but the 300 could take a year or more until either is granted we must be apart.
So it is likely that she can't come until the end of August or later

What would be wrong with applying for a 600 visitor (2 to 6 weeks to grant I believe) with me as full sponsor for 12 months, getting married here and then applying for one of the other visa types?
This means she could be here in July

Is there a limit on time between visitor visas? - she had family sponsored 600 visa ending 11/04/2018

It seems the major issue is that the 820 visa takes longer to process and it is implied that another visa type must be in force to allow the applicant to stay (but not stated anywhere that I can see)

Can anyone advise why the 2nd choice is not good?

 

[Lewis2017]

Applying for visitor and then marrying here?

I think you can “technically” do it, but from what you’re saying you would be applying for a visitor visa with the purpose of marrying and immigrating here permanently which is not the purpose of the visitor visa.

I think you’d be running the risk of immigration thinking you lied for the purpose of obtaining the visitor visa and any subsequent visa afterwards could be denied

 

[ampk]

Not sure what you mean a Visitor Visa after acceptance? and unlikely to be here until August.

You can not sponsor your fiancé for a Visitor Visa.

Don't get married until you know much more about how all this works.

There is a no more than 12 months in Australia in any 18 months thing - so will depend how much time and when as to the limit in her case.

 

[Ash22]

My Thai fiancee and I are desperate to be together. It was suggested to apply for a PMV 300, then a Visitor 600 after acceptance but the 300 could take a year or more until either is granted we must be apart.
So it is likely that she can't come until the end of August or later

What would be wrong with applying for a 600 visitor (2 to 6 weeks to grant I believe) with me as full sponsor for 12 months, getting married here and then applying for one of the other visa types?
This means she could be here in July

Is there a limit on time between visitor visas? - she had family sponsored 600 visa ending 11/04/2018

It seems the major issue is that the 820 visa takes longer to process and it is implied that another visa type must be in force to allow the applicant to stay (but not stated anywhere that I can see)

Can anyone advise why the 2nd choice is not good?

If it was that easy I don't think any of us would be waiting for our PMVs unfortunately! As far as I'm aware the 820 requires a lot more evidence than the 300 so Id do a lot of research before jumping the gun and getting hitched but that's just me 🙂

Furthermore she'd possibly have to lie to immigration? I don't think you're supposed to get married on visitor visas... defeats the purpose of the PMV. Would you rather risk being caught and making your separation even longer and more complicated or just be patient and live happily ever after? It feels like it's going to take forever but in the grand scheme of things it's worth it. Just think carefully on this and good luck 🙂

 

[chrislane99]

Not sure what you mean a Visitor Visa after acceptance? and unlikely to be here until August.

You can not sponsor your fiancé for a Visitor Visa.

Don't get married until you know much more about how all this works.

There is a no more than 12 months in Australia in any 18 months thing - so will depend how much time and when as to the limit in her case.

I meant after the 300 PMV visa application is paid for and accepted by DHA. I believe we can apply for a visitor visa subsequently after the initial checks are completed - I will complete it online and pay but she is the applicant. It should then be a formality as the 300 PMV is obviously the ultimate goal

I know I cannot sponsor her as we are not family yet but the 600 form asks how she will be able to fund her visit - naturally I will pay.
She could also apply for another family sponsored visa from her sister.

Knowing how this all works is half the battle it seems - hence why I am here. I started back in May and still I have not submitted for fear of compromising her chances.

As far as the 12 in 18 months she would be OK as only 6 in 8 at this stage.

Thanks folks I certainly would not to compromise her chances by giving DHA any chance to accuse us of deceiving them of our intentions

 

[ampk]

I meant after the 300 PMV visa application is paid for and accepted by DHA.

** You get the acknowledgement of the PMV application as soon as you pay.

I believe we can apply for a visitor visa subsequently after the initial checks are completed.

There is no initial checks you will know or hear about.

- I will complete it online and pay but she is the applicant. It should then be a formality as the 300 PMV is obviously the ultimate goal.

** Don't count on a formality you need to meet genuine visitor requirements.

I know I cannot sponsor her as we are not family yet but the 600 form asks how she will be able to fund her visit - naturally I will pay.

** From memory they call it letters of support.

She could also apply for another family sponsored visa from her sister.

** Rumour is this is your second choice.

Knowing how this all works is half the battle it seems - hence why I am here. I started back in May and still I have not submitted for fear of compromising her chances.

** Keep up the homework.

As far as the 12 in 18 months she would be OK as only 6 in 8 at this stage.

** I don't know the policy on this but it can affect the granted stay period.

Thanks folks I certainly would not to compromise her chances by giving DHA any chance to accuse us of deceiving them of our intentions

 

[chrislane99]

Thanks again for your help.
As I have the 300 PMV ready to submit I will continue with that as she is offshore.
It seems the process after submission can be pretty quick - that is our embassy in Thailand initiating the police check and medical which then clears her to come on a visitor visa while we wait for the decision.

Now my main question what is the best option for the subsequent 600 so we can be together while we wait for the 300 decision

We can ask her sister to apply for another Family Sponsored - she had one from 22/10/2017 to 11/04/2018
Or we can apply for a standard Visitor visa without family but with me as full support

Is there any differences in the conditions for these two?
Any difference in the grant time?
Any reason why either would be refused in light of the previous good record?

 

[CCMS]

which then clears her to come on a visitor visa while we wait for the decision.

Note that she will have to go offshore for the decision.

 

[chrislane99]

Thanks Nick.
I already knew that thanks to other posters who has done this.
The DHA website is clear about this - unlike other questions
You must be outside Australia when you apply for the visa and when the visa is decided.

My intended sequence is
Submit 300 PMV as she is in Thailand
Once accepted apply for either 600 FSV or just 600 VV as a separate application
This was my question as this takes weeks to approve - Which one?

Then once she has PC & MC done come on FSV or VV
Once PMV approved she leaves Oz to satisfy the PMV and returns as per conditions.
Get married etc. etc.
Then hopefully we live happily ever after!

Legend
PC = Police check
MC = Medical check
FSV = Family sponsored 600 Visa
VV = 600 Visitor Visa
PMV = 300 Prospective Marriage Visa
Oz = our wonderful country with abtuse,
contradictory and expensive visa conditions

 

[ampk]

It is a lottery, but I would tend to apply for a normal Visitor Visa not the sponsored one. If that does not work then try a sponsored one.

 

[chrislane99]

Thanks apmk!

I suppose all life is lottery when it comes down to it - where you are born,
who your parents are, which bar you went to and met the love of your life ....

But Government should not be but it depends I imagine which CO you get

I'll try the Visitor one as she has already been here when we met.
Certainly JandE used this path with success according to earlier posts they made
When I introduced myself under Aussie in love with a Thai woman

I hope they will look at the two applications as good reason to approve
and hope it comes up heads when the coin is tossed!!

 

[Ash22]

Thanks apmk!

I suppose all life is lottery when it comes down to it - where you are born,
who your parents are, which bar you went to and met the love of your life

....

But Government should not be but it depends I imagine which CO you get

I'll try the Visitor one as she has already been here when we met.
Certainly JandE used this path with success according to earlier posts they made
When I introduced myself under Aussie in love with a Thai woman

I hope they will look at the two applications as good reason to approve
and hope it comes up heads when the coin is tossed!!

Good luck, mate!

 

[chrislane99]

Supplementary questions for the visitor visa

Now that I have submitted the 300 PMV I am required to upload documents as expected. In addition they require biometrics - digital photo and fingerprints. I will be in Thailand for a week from the 20th to ensure we complete this part

I have completed the initial forms for the 600 Visitor - most same as 300 - and now it asks for supplementary documents to be uploaded before payment unlike the 600

I have spoken to the family and they did the biometrics last year for the 600 Family Visa so I expect the same will be required again for this 600 Application.

Does anyone know if I have two active Visa submissions (300 & 600) will the biometrics be required twice or can the one request be applied to both?
If so who do I ask - the Embassy in Thailand? or will the DHA system note the simultaneous applications and use?

 

[ampk]

I don't know - after our 300 we did medicals and police, then a bit later applied for the 600.

They gave us a much better Visitor Visa than we asked for (12 month from date of grant multi entry if we want to) they did not ask for medicals or police docs.

 

[chrislane99]

Thanks ampk

Which country was the applicant?

Did you have to do a biometric - digital photograph and fingerprints for each one? or just one?

 

[ampk]

Was partner and 2 kids from Ukraine - don't recall exactly what they had to supply, but don't think finger prints. This I do recall being the only simple and cheap thing of the entire process for us.

 

[mattb]

Biometrics are required for each instance of a visa application, regardless of any time frame. So if you do a PMV300, biometrics required and if you were to do a VV600 even a day after...back for biometrics again

 

[chrislane99]

Thanks Mattb

As I suspected. If there are two active visa requests they should be able to be done together? That is not two separate visits - just two transactions

Of course that's 2 x 851Baht to VFS Global in the Trendy Building
But I should be thankful. It's only about $70 total

 

[mattb]

Yes two seperate forms/payments/biometricss per each application, active or previously complete under other visas. You may be able to get two appointments close together or back to back. Maybe phone them see if you can do it all under the one time allocation and just pay/provide them twice. I used the online booking system and it just gave me available slots.

 

[chrislane99]

We just received an unexpected Christmas present when we realised that my darling was probably pregnant!
We see the Doctor next week to confirm but the tester was positive

The burning question now is do I include this on the PMV 300 application which I can submit in the next days?
Can I ignore this at this stage as we don't have anything official
Will it be a plus or a minus at this stage for her fiance visa application?

Reading this post 6 months on is very informative
I have completed everything required for the PMV 300 but not finished with the Evidence of relationship before final submission for decision

It has been so much harder than expected. I applied for and was granted the visitor Visa in Thailand in 3 days while I was still visiting to assist with everything.
I was so excited by this I rushed to buy her a ticket only to arrive back to an email asking for medicals and police checks for her and her son for the PMV 300.

If my fiancee had stayed in Thailand for one more week these could have been done in days instead of a couple of months. It would have cost much less too.

I then applied for a new visitor visa 600 in Australia in October. This took the more normal two weeks and she was granted 6 months more until April 2019.