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Old 01-28-2015, 09:40 AM
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Question I'm so indecisive, please help!

I am so torn as to what type of visa to apply for (offshore PMV or offshore Partner visa or visitor visa (ETA) and then applying for an onshore partner visa).

My situation:
My partner (aussie) and I met online one year ago and completely fell in love and became the best of friends quickly. In June, he came here for a couple of weeks with his child - then he came back again in August, but this time, he was turned back (horrible, awful day! he was sent back due to a criminal record from ages ago, something stupid and minor that we never even thought would affect him). We don't have a ton of money (ok, we have very little!!) and so that was a huge blow both financially and emotionally. In September, I went to Aus with my kids and we spent the next two months there together (living in the same holiday rental for most of the time, and also at his parents for some of it). During this time, he received his paperwork that deemed him rehabilitated from his crime (cost us $1000) and he ended up coming back to Canada with us in early November. He stayed here nearly 3 months, but had to return due to obligations back home. I am so sad and feeling completely lost without him. We definitely plan on getting married and me and my kids will migrate to australia - but we are torn on what visa to apply for. I THINK these are our options:

PMV - pros: seems easiest to get (less evidence, etc needed) CONS: cost - I believe this ends up being more expensive than the partner visa as there are two stages to pay for, lengthy wait time (12-15 months from Canada currently), possibly harder to get a job when I arrive (?), possibly unable to enroll my children in school until we apply for the second stage (??), don't qualify for medicare until the second stage(??)

Partner Visa (offshore): pros: will be cheaper without having to apply for two stages (cost will be about $2000 less since there are 3 of us going, plus the saving of temporary traveller medical insurance), we can get married here in Canada (yes, I am aware that with the PMV we can too, but there is no way we could afford coming back for our wedding) and my family could attend here but couldn't afford to fly over there to attend whereas his could afford to come attend here - also we have the means to have a much more affordable wedding here than there, easier to get a job upon arrival, easier to enroll kids into school (?), immediate access to medicare(?). Cons: lengthy wait time (12-15 months like the PMV), more difficult to provide enough evidence (scary to think of possibly being declined!!)

And finally my last option, which I never considered till now:

Going to Aus on a visitors visa (well ETA - as Canadians aren't required to have a visitor visa, THEN get married there, and apply for an onshore partner visa: PROS: we can be together SO much sooner - this being apart from each other just plain sucks as many of you know!! We don't handle it very well CONS: an onshore partner visa costs significantly more, feels riskier - what if we are turned down?, cannot bring all of our important possessions with us, feels dishonest and I would worry, cannot work (or kids attend school) until getting a bridging visa (does it come soon as you apply? Our ETA would last 3 months), I have no idea if our evidence would be good enough even, fear of being sent back

What would you do?? All opinions greatly appreciated!! I miss my honey so much it hurts. Money is super tight. We cannot afford to go back and forth anymore....


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Old 01-28-2015, 10:52 AM
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I would look at the evidences that you already have and find out whether you stand a chance for a partner visa (de facto / married) or not.


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Old 01-28-2015, 11:02 AM
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PMV - Your cons:
Job - It will be no harder to get a job on the PMV than a BVA (you will spend a lot of time on a BVA if you apply onshore). My partner really struggled getting quality work on the BVA - it's still a temporary visa.
School You can of course enrol your children in school whilst you are on a PMV. Costs etc will depend on which state you are in.
Medicare You will qualify for medicare as soon as your apply for the 820. So if you have the PMV, land in Australia, get married in the first month you are there and apply for the 820 you would be eligible. Someone correct me if i'm wrong! Been a while since I looked at Medicare.

But a lot will depend on the type of quality evidence that you have of the time that you did spend together. So you spent 6 months together? What evidence do you have? You won't be able to apply for the offshore partner visa with only 6 months evidence (unless you are married prior to applying).

If you apply onshore, you would be on a tourist visa for 3 months, your children I believe can attend school for 12 weeks only on a tourist visa - but you would possibly be paying a lot of money - again depending on the state. With Children coming along I would not go for the ETA onshore application - but that's my personal opinion

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Our PMV with 2 kids is ready now, we just need to leave Australia.

No option is cheap - with kids I would say use an agent, you don't need for all but you need one to know all that happens and when. The visa application fee is actually a small part of total cost when kids are involved.

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I am kind of in the same boat as the OP. I am Canadian and my fiancee is Australian, I have a teenager that will migrate with me. We know we do want to be married and live in OZ (I live in Northern Ontario and HATE the cold and snow so where we are going to live is a no brainer). After reading through all of the threads and looking at all of our options we will do the PMV.
We know there will be a fairly lengthy wait, but in the end we will be together. What appeals to both of is that we have a full 9 months to organize and plan our wedding, in he meantime we will be able to live together, I can work (don't care what I do as I know it won't have to be forever) and my daughter will be able to attend school.
Being apart does really suck, believe me we have racked up hours of Skype and FB messenger time and although not the same as being with each other we are so thankful that we at least have that.
I am heading over in April, and we will lodge the PMV shortly after. We would lodge sooner but again we have gotten over that "panic" stage of needing to be together and now we just want to do everything right so that there are no glitches or setbacks.
CantoAus what part of Canada are you from?


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Our PMV with 2 kids is ready now, we just need to leave Australia.

No option is cheap - with kids I would say use an agent, you don't need for all but you need one to know all that happens and when. The visa application fee is actually a small part of total cost when kids are involved.

Best of luck
Now I am wondering....if we went over on a PMV, my kids CAN go to school....but do I pay just the regular school fees, or do I have to pay more for them to attend school than say, an australian citizen? And if I do have to pay more for them to attend, than an aussie would....would I be able to pay the same school fees once we got married and submitted the partner visa? Or would we have to wait until the partner visa was granted? I'm stressing out now...I just totally assumed it would be the regular school fees


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I am kind of in the same boat as the OP. I am Canadian and my fiancee is Australian, I have a teenager that will migrate with me. We know we do want to be married and live in OZ (I live in Northern Ontario and HATE the cold and snow so where we are going to live is a no brainer). After reading through all of the threads and looking at all of our options we will do the PMV.
We know there will be a fairly lengthy wait, but in the end we will be together. What appeals to both of is that we have a full 9 months to organize and plan our wedding, in he meantime we will be able to live together, I can work (don't care what I do as I know it won't have to be forever) and my daughter will be able to attend school.
Being apart does really suck, believe me we have racked up hours of Skype and FB messenger time and although not the same as being with each other we are so thankful that we at least have that.
I am heading over in April, and we will lodge the PMV shortly after. We would lodge sooner but again we have gotten over that "panic" stage of needing to be together and now we just want to do everything right so that there are no glitches or setbacks.
CantoAus what part of Canada are you from?
Smurphy, I am in Vancouver - I actually quite like it here...the weather (other than a lot of rain) isn't too terrible, I live in a nice area too. Even my partner likes it here and if he didn't have a daughter that he shared half custody with back in Aus, we would likely have him immigrate here instead. I sure hope we can get over the panic stage too - I am feeling pretty sad and lonely today, as he has just recently left to head home. I hate the darn time difference to even be able to talk. I hate that we are so darn broke and are struggling to get the money together to apply for any of these.

I appreciate everyone's input. As much as the idea of going over right away sounds awesome....going over on a tourist visa then applying for onshore would be way over our budget I am realizing. While I do think we have a chance for being granted a partner visa with the evidence we have....a "chance" is much too risky So....looks like PMV is the best way to go for us - and plan to marry basically immediately upon arrival (as if planning to relocate, figure out jobs, housing and schooling isn't already enough...planning the wedding will have to be in our high priority list too!).

So...PMV - my kids can attend school....but do I have to pay more for them to attend than an Australian citizen would have to pay? And if so, for how long would I be paying more? Until we submit the part two of that visa? Or until the part two of that visa is granted? And those who have done it, were jobs quite difficult to come by on the temporary visa?


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CantoAus, one of the reasons we are holding off on lodging the PMV right now is because while I am there in April we want to do more research about the cost of education for my daughter, find a celebrant and a venue for the wedding (I think in the back of my mind I a hoping we could be one of the lucky ones that things move quickly for) . We are also going to set up a joint bank account and I am going to be put on his lease etc. Although this is not needed for the PMV we believe that the more we get done and organized now the easier it will be later.
I do understand the financial aspect as well...another reason for us waiting to lodge the PMV, but they do say anything worth having is worth waiting for lol.
Yes the time difference can be a real pain!!!! I pretty much set aside my evenings from 9pm to 11pm to be on skype with him. We are fortunate that he does work from home as this falls in the afternoon for him.


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PMV - Your cons:
Job - It will be no harder to get a job on the PMV than a BVA (you will spend a lot of time on a BVA if you apply onshore). My partner really struggled getting quality work on the BVA - it's still a temporary visa.
School You can of course enrol your children in school whilst you are on a PMV. Costs etc will depend on which state you are in.
Medicare You will qualify for medicare as soon as your apply for the 820. So if you have the PMV, land in Australia, get married in the first month you are there and apply for the 820 you would be eligible. Someone correct me if i'm wrong! Been a while since I looked at Medicare.

But a lot will depend on the type of quality evidence that you have of the time that you did spend together. So you spent 6 months together? What evidence do you have? You won't be able to apply for the offshore partner visa with only 6 months evidence (unless you are married prior to applying).

If you apply onshore, you would be on a tourist visa for 3 months, your children I believe can attend school for 12 weeks only on a tourist visa - but you would possibly be paying a lot of money - again depending on the state. With Children coming along I would not go for the ETA onshore application - but that's my personal opinion
Thank you Engaus, I appreciate your response. So...my kids CAN attend school on a PMV....does that mean that I pay the same school fees Aussies pay? Or do I have to pay different fees for people on a "temporary visa"? I have googled and came up with nothing I am headed to Victoria.


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CantoAus, one of the reasons we are holding off on lodging the PMV right now is because while I am there in April we want to do more research about the cost of education for my daughter, find a celebrant and a venue for the wedding (I think in the back of my mind I a hoping we could be one of the lucky ones that things move quickly for) . We are also going to set up a joint bank account and I am going to be put on his lease etc. Although this is not needed for the PMV we believe that the more we get done and organized now the easier it will be later.
I do understand the financial aspect as well...another reason for us waiting to lodge the PMV, but they do say anything worth having is worth waiting for lol.
Yes the time difference can be a real pain!!!! I pretty much set aside my evenings from 9pm to 11pm to be on skype with him. We are fortunate that he does work from home as this falls in the afternoon for him.

You and me, both, Smurphy! I am trying to think positive and hope that we are going to get lucky and not have an awfully long wait for approval. Fingers crossed! Do you mind me asking how you and your partner met? And you said it's been five years? Wow...we are at one year now and it feels pretty darn torturous After 5 straight months together, I feel a huge loss right now. I am trying hard not to get depressed about this all...I knew it would be a difficult road, but this is so hard. It's not even just the whole waiting....we haven't even submitted our apps due to financial setbacks - and these setbacks just keep coming. They say money can't buy happiness but it sure as hell would help us out right about now!


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