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Old 10-25-2011, 04:35 AM
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Hi Guys,

I've been reading through loads of thread here which is very very helpful

My situation is:

Me and my bf met June 2011 and our relationship has been developing very quickly We decided to move in together on 20th July 2011 and started having strong evidences that we've been living together since 2nd August. (+all the receipts from grocery to basketball tix / +a vdo of him trying to cook for me lol)
He's a citizen with debts and still studying. I'm on a student visa, running out of money and we still wanted to stay together. So we decided that we are going to apply for 820 next month(25th Nov 2011) with RELATIONSHIP CERTIFICATE to waive the 12 months requirement. Also I've planned to lodge 1005 to change my working restriction from 20 hours per week to NO restriction.

We have our future plan that after he finished his study in animation in the next 2 years we might move to USA to follow his dream with pixar

Do you guys think this would be OK or K.O.

Thanks guys

Hope my english isn't too difficult to understand


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Old 10-25-2011, 05:40 AM
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I would call Immi and ask because the relationship certificate does not always override the 12 Month relationship rule. On another blog a poster said their application was denied even though they had a relationship certificate. They applied after 4 months of living together. I would check that before you spend the money on the application. It's almost $3000 and non refundable if the application is denied.

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Old 10-25-2011, 06:07 AM
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That's possible whatnext, I think If someone applies with the relationship certificate and is denied, it's probably because their other evidence was too weak to prove that the relationship is genuine.

Yes, the relationship certificate means that you can apply without being together for 12 months, but your application will only be successful if you have a strong application with lots of evidence - especially for such a short relationship. Remember, you are not boyfriend and girlfriend, you are (should be) de facto partners which is more serious than just casual dating - you should want to spend the rest of your lives together.

Use page 41 of the partner migration booklet as a guide:
http://www.immi.gov.au/allforms/booklets/1127.pdf
You need to have evidence from each of the four categories, and as much as you can. Remember, since this is a guide, this means that things like "joint bank account" and "joint lease" are not obligations since you can use other evidence to show that you help each other with money, and that you live together.

I don't know how much time you have left on your student visa, but even with the relationship certificate I think you should at least be in a relationship for 6 months before applying. You need to convince DIAC that yours is a genuine relationship that is serious and not just a casual boyfriend/girlfriend 'fling'.
I'll run you through the four categories:

Financial aspects, DIAC says "Evidence will be required that you and your partner share financial commitments"
- this is the easiest thing: you can show how you both pay for rent/groceries, that you buy things for each other, ect.

The nature of the household
- basically you should show that you live together (it's good if you don't have a joint lease to have letters addressed to you at the same address)
- statutory declarations from yourself and landlord/other people that you live toghether (in absence of a joint lease)
- a declaration explaining how you distribute housework

Social context of the relationship
- here you will need the support of your friends and family to explain that they believe you are a genuine couple. You need a minimum of two statutory declarations from Australian citizens or Permanent residents who know you both and who can support your claims of a genuine relationship
- evidence that you do things as a couple or are invited to things as a couple (concerts/outings,ect)
- perhaps joint membership of clubs
- evidence that you have made your relationship known to other organisations/bodies (eg: if you work that your work has your partner's phone number in case of emergencies as "next of kin" - if this is an option)

Here is where I can see you having problems "The nature of your commitment to each other"
DIAC says:
- knowledge of each other’s personal circumstances (for example, background and family situation, which could be established at interview)
--- since you have not been in a relationship very long, this is harder for you
- intention that your relationship will be long-term (for example, the extent to which you have combined your affairs)
--- this is hard for you since you've only known each other for 5 months, you could establish this through statutory declarations (eg: you can talk about your plans to move to the USA)
- the terms of your wills
--- again, evidence like this would be strange for a couple of only 5 months
- correspondence and itemised phone accounts to show that contact was maintained during any period of separation.
-- another thing: you've never beeen separated so you can't show things like emails, skype calls, phone calls from overseas

This is all just a guide but basically you just need things from each category, and you need enough to convince the person assessing your application. As whatnext said, it's an expensive visa, so I'm not doing this to discourage you, I'm trying to help you make the right decision so that you don't waste your money. If you feel that you have a strong application, go for it, but if you think that you are lacking in evidence, be careful.

Put yourself in the shoes of the person looking at the application, imagine that you have no knowledge of yourself or your partner: make a list of all your evidence, do you think that the two people are genuinely a couple and are living in a de facto relationship that is serious and long-term? While preparing your application, keep asking yourself if you think this would convince a stranger, it will help you.

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Old 10-25-2011, 09:09 AM
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Thx I will let my partner call the immi tmr

@SarahM
Thx for loads of info you given above, appreciated it I will try to answer all four categories here.

Financial aspects, DIAC says "Evidence will be required that you and your partner share financial commitments"
- As we both love chocolate 'til death, we have some chocolate cafe's receipts kept for this purpose.
- His & my groceries receipt, petrol receipt when we drive to suburbs to visit his family. Almost every weekends.


The nature of the household
- basically you should show that you live together (it's good if you don't have a joint lease to have letters addressed to you at the same address)
Heaps of letter both from his school, centerlink (which shows that he got a partner) and my lease contract.
- statutory declarations from yourself and landlord/other people that you live toghether (in absence of a joint lease)
My flatmate will complete form 888 for us and he's gonna stay with us for at least in the next 6 months after lodging application.
- a declaration explaining how you distribute housework
He's doing most of the laundry lol

Social context of the relationship
- here you will need the support of your friends and family to explain that they believe you are a genuine couple. You need a minimum of two statutory declarations from Australian citizens or Permanent residents who know you both and who can support your claims of a genuine relationship
We got one from his childhood friend, one from my friend who i met since i first arrived here (3 years ago) and one from our flatmate
- evidence that you do things as a couple or are invited to things as a couple (concerts/outings,ect)
Got it all
- perhaps joint membership of clubs
- evidence that you have made your relationship known to other organisations/bodies (eg: if you work that your work has your partner's phone number in case of emergencies as "next of kin" - if this is an option)
He registered me as a partner at centerlink and emergency contact at a Medical center near our place

Here is where I can see you having problems "The nature of your commitment to each other"
DIAC says:

- knowledge of each other’s personal circumstances (for example, background and family situation, which could be established at interview)
He knows a lot of my family and so do I because we talk about every single things and support each other emotionally.
--- since you have not been in a relationship very long, this is harder for you
- intention that your relationship will be long-term (for example, the extent to which you have combined your affairs)

We just got a letter from his school showing how long his course will be and the FEE-HELP agreement.
--- this is hard for you since you've only known each other for 5 months, you could establish this through statutory declarations (eg: you can talk about your plans to move to the USA)
Yes, we will talk about his school which I will help him in studying as it's the same industry that i'm working but I have a lot more experience + plan of moving after school.
- the terms of your wills
--- again, evidence like this would be strange for a couple of only 5 months
- correspondence and itemised phone accounts to show that contact was maintained during any period of separation.

I can use text on phone or facebook chatting?
-- another thing: you've never been separated so you can't show things like emails, skype calls, phone calls from overseas
I will go back to my country for a short trip in the mid of next month just before lodging the visa. It should be OK


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I think you've done some good preparation vrinoz, and especially it's good that you've let Centrelink know about the relationship.
You can definately use phone calls/text messages to show that you call each other (get your phone bill), you can also print things from facebook.

I guess the only advice I can give you is to stay organised and remember that your application will have to be thorough especially because it's a young relationship Keep collecting evidence, maybe think about getting your or your partner's parents to do a statutory declaration if they can. Be very thorough!


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Old 10-26-2011, 12:28 AM
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I think you've done some good preparation vrinoz, and especially it's good that you've let Centrelink know about the relationship.
You can definately use phone calls/text messages to show that you call each other (get your phone bill), you can also print things from facebook.

I guess the only advice I can give you is to stay organised and remember that your application will have to be thorough especially because it's a young relationship Keep collecting evidence, maybe think about getting your or your partner's parents to do a statutory declaration if they can. Be very thorough!
Thx SarahM
I'm really worried about this young relationship so I have to prepare everything to give more chance to stay with him longer
I will keep posting here to be another case study.


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Old 04-04-2012, 07:08 AM
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Just want to update!

My 820 application used a Relationship Certificate to waive 12 months requirement.
We've been living together for 8 months. Also he registered me as a partner with Centrelink.


I went to the office to lodge my application because I want to use a debit payment but they ask me to use other methods of payment instead as the application will be put into a dropbox.

So just want to share here that you can't do a debit payment method there.

Now I will just wait for their acknowledgement letter and will use it to quit my school(cancel a student visa) and then I will be on Bridging Visa E

Then I will apply 1005 to remove the working restriction (from a student visa) out.

I will keep you guys posted


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Where dir you hand in your application???

Just curious because I'm going tomorrow and wanted to pay with debit

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Vrinoz

Just bear in mind that cancellation of student visa can take months as you are not seen as priority because you have another visa application in place.

My husband cancelled his student visa a few months after we lodged 820. He first cancelled it with his school and requested DIAC to cancel. Once he cancelled with the school he stopped studying but was able to continue working 20 hours per week which worked well for us for a few months because it's not guaranteed that the working restriction would have been removed of he got bridging visa e. the Perth office had a huge work load regarding student visa's so our 820 was approved and we never got the cancellation of the student visa.

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Hope I'm not too late here. I put my card as a credit instead. Or u can do a cheque or money order(get it from Post office)
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