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Old 10-27-2011, 03:37 PM
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Hello!

My girlfriend and I would like to get married and be together in Australia. I am a US citizen and she's an Australian citizen. We've been looking around and getting a little overwhelmed at all the information and terms and forms and options ect. I was wondering if someone could make it a little clearer what would be the easiest way to get together. At least as far as... what forms we should be looking into. Our case seems very straightforward. We're just not totally confident where to start...

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Hi,

If you are planning to get married soon, the best way to go is the Prospective Marriage Visa (PMV). This visa must be applied for offshore, and once granted it gives you 9 months in which you must:
- Enter Australia
- Get married (you can choose to get married overseas but you'd be doing more trips to and from Australia; most get married in Australia)
- Apply for a partner visa as a married couple

If you prefer, you can get married outside of Australia and then apply directly for a partner visa either in or outside of Australia. Visas applied for offshore can only be granted offshore and when applied for onshore must be granted onshore. If you don't want to get married anytime soon, as long as you live together a whole 12 moths before applying, you can apply for the partner visa as a defacto couple (it's the same application with an added 12 month requirement).

If you're worried that the PMV plus the partner visa will be more expensive than just the partner visa alone, in fact the prices change so you end up paying the same fee:
- PMV + partner visa = $3,000
- Partner visa onshore = $3,000
- Partner visa offshore = $2,000 (the cheapest option)

Take a look at page 9 of the partner migration booklet, it gives a diagram to show you your options (take the time to read most of the booklet as it's very useful for all the partner visa applications):
http://www.immi.gov.au/allforms/booklets/1127.pdf
(Don't get confused by the diagram, when you apply for a partner visa you fill out one set of forms and pay one fee, but the visa is actually granted in two stages (temporary and permanent), you become eligible for permanent residency 2 years after the date you first applied for the visa - immigration will contact you at this time asking for evidence that you are still together/a genuine couple)

Partner visa onshore:
Partner Visa: Onshore Temporary and Permanent (Subclasses 820 and 801)
Partner visa offshore:
Partner Visa: Offshore Temporary and Permanent (Subclasses 309 and 100)
PMV:
Prospective Marriage Visa (Subclass 300)

As far as forms go (they are all available at www.immi.gov.au - or you can find the links to them at the visa pages above) all three of these visas have the same main forms: 47SP for the applicant and 40SP for the sponsor.


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Old 10-28-2011, 09:39 AM
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If you're worried that the PMV plus the partner visa will be more expensive than just the partner visa alone, in fact the prices change so you end up paying the same fee:
- PMV + partner visa = $3,000
- Partner visa onshore = $3,000
- Partner visa offshore = $2,000 (the cheapest option)
Keep in mind this is in AUD. The partner visa offshore is over $2000 USD. Just an FYI.

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Old 10-28-2011, 12:14 PM
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Keep in mind this is in AUD. The partner visa offshore is over $2000 USD. Just an FYI.
Well spotted, ta


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Woot! Sorry for the late thanks... but THANKS! Nice of you guys to take time to give us a little clarity. We're looking into the PMV. I'm sure we'll be back with more questions in a bit!

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Question: What if I were to come over on a 12 month work visa? It seems much cheaper than the PMV. Would this hurt my chances of being able to stay longer?


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Question: What if I were to come over on a 12 month work visa? It seems much cheaper than the PMV. Would this hurt my chances of being able to stay longer?
It's cheaper in the short term, but in the long term you'll pay more because you'll have the costs of the WHV plus the costs of the onshore Partner visa app ($3000). So the cheapest way is still offshore Partner, second cheapest would be PMV + Partner, most expensive would be WHV + onshore Partner.

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It's cheaper in the short term, but in the long term you'll pay more because you'll have the costs of the WHV plus the costs of the onshore Partner visa app ($3000). So the cheapest way is still offshore Partner, second cheapest would be PMV + Partner, most expensive would be WHV + onshore Partner.
Ahh... so then what would be the EASIEST (saying money isn't an issue) way to get down there and set up shop? With the PMV, we've both got forms to submit... and need friends statements and relationship questions and so on and so forth. Very involved and a bit intimidating. With the WHV... I looked through the online application and it was all very simple stuff.

Would my work background (it's consistent, but not impressive as it's mostly retail work) be a detriment to the cause? I'm scared of submitting a WHV application and getting rejected.

I also assume it'd be harder to find a job initially when one of the stipulations is that I can't be employed by one place for more than 6 months. Hmm.


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Old 11-17-2011, 08:30 AM
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Ahh... so then what would be the EASIEST (saying money isn't an issue) way to get down there and set up shop? With the PMV, we've both got forms to submit... and need friends statements and relationship questions and so on and so forth. Very involved and a bit intimidating. With the WHV... I looked through the online application and it was all very simple stuff.

Would my work background (it's consistent, but not impressive as it's mostly retail work) be a detriment to the cause? I'm scared of submitting a WHV application and getting rejected.

I also assume it'd be harder to find a job initially when one of the stipulations is that I can't be employed by one place for more than 6 months. Hmm.
The easiest is to come out on the WHV (provided it does not have a No Further Stay condition), keeping in mind there are going to be frustrations with that which you are already aware of, being the 6 month employer limitation, which is a condition which would carry over onto any bridging visa issued. On the plus-side, you will have that 12 months to collect lots of evidence which will all assist in making your Partner visa app that much stronger. I only wish we could have gone down the WHV / onshore Partner app route, but unfortunately my husband is from a high-risk country so we never had that option.

EDIT: In relation to your work experience, that's not a consideration for the WHV, only that you have finished high school. The following link gives some info re how you qualify for that:

http://www.immi.gov.au/visitors/work...liday/462/usa/

Mainly it's just that you need to be under the age of 30 at the time of lodgement and have sufficient evidence of funds.

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Awesome! So... come down there, find a job (oh please, oh please) and work as much as I can while we work together on the Partner visa... all the while making a much stronger case for it. I really think this is what we are going to try to do.

I'm sure I'll be back with more questions... but thank you very much for your help so far.


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