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Old 04-12-2015, 01:58 AM
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Haha ikr, I'm not pointing finger, but it makes me a bit uncomfortable how some people "sound" like they're trying to use this 'have a baby' to jump the que. No offense...
bro you shouldnt feel uncomfortable for anyone's situation. We also didnt have babies at one stage and now i realise that how empty my life was without my sweet angel.I am also not pointing finger, but it makes me bit uncomfortable how some people just dont mind using nice and appropriate language without showing their ignorance at all..
Dont we have reserve seats for mothers in trains,buses.??or you will say that they want to jump the que by using this 'have a baby' ..?? common man.


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And ofcourse people who have babies should be get benefits.
But why? I presume we are talking about immigration benefits. What if I can't have children? What if (as I have) decided that because I'm not in a visa stable environment to have a child I wanted to wait?

Whether your pregnancy is planned or unplanned, the only fair way with visa processing times is to treat people with and without babies as equal. There are already good concessions given to people who are migrating with babies (e.g that you can go straight to PR in some cases), to also expedite the visa process would open the door up further to fraudulent visa applications and unfair processing for people that can't have children or make the decision to wait longer or don't want children at all!

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Well we planned our baby when i had applied from Australia brfore my visa was rejected.How can you say anything like people cant wait etc...?? i have waited to get baby for 34 years brother(or sister,whoever you are)..
I think you will only realise this when you will have baby, that having baby is such a nice thing.
And ofcourse people who have babies should be get benefits.
To me this seems a rather selfish view, why should people with babies receive preferential treatment? What about those who choose not, to have children, what about those who are unable to have children, what about same sex couples?
The fairest way is to process applications in order of receipt.
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And ofcourse people who have babies should be get benefits.
And how is that fair? Not everyone is able to have kids, some people decide to wait until they are more financially secure and their immigration status is stable too. Just because someone decides to have kids doesn't mean they should benefit over everyone else.

Australia is about equal opportunity for everyone not discriminating against people that don't have kids.

Australia is already a lucky country that gives parents benefits to help them raise kids there are so many countries out there where you have to figure it out yourself.

You are lucky that you can be in Australia while the visa is processing not everyone has that opportunity.


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And ofcourse people who have babies should be get benefits.
I couldn't disagree more. Just because you have a child does not and should not give you priority over someone else.

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I also disagree that babies should have any impact on immigration. I have lived an immigration nightmare for 3 years. My husband was deported from the US after being there LEGALLY for 47 years. We have been married for over 8 years and our daughter is 7 years old. She is an Australian citizen by descent. I have lodged my 820/801 March 3, 2015. DIAP will take into account the impact a denial will have on Australian citizens, but that's no guarantee of approval. And to be honest, if my application cannot be approved on its own merit, why should I get special attention because of my daughter? It would not be fair to those who do not have or cannot have children. Just like in lodging my application I had to upload all kinds of evidence to prove our relationship is genuine--even though we have been married for so long--because the system treats every case the same way and each applicant has the same process and burden of proof.

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How can you say anything like people cant wait etc...?? i have waited to get baby for 34 years brother(or sister,whoever you are)..
I think you will only realise this when you will have baby, that having baby is such a nice thing.
And ofcourse people who have babies should be get benefits.
I know perfectly well how wonderful having a child is!! I am 6 months pregnant and as I write this I can feel my son/daughter kicking me!! I also waited for my visa to be GRANTED before trying to fall pregnant - and I have waited 33 years to be a mother (and my husband is 42) so don't try that argument either.

As a mother to be I totally disagree with you that you should get benefits for having a child!! Too many people would then fall pregnant to jump the queue and cheat the system!! Making it very unfair for people without children.....! As I said before - pregnancy is a choice and you chose to take this step before knowing the outcome of your application - you now have to deal with the consequences

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Not to throw fuel on the fire here... but ironically, I believe if you read Becky's first post in her New Delhi thread with all the info on the embassy there... I'm pretty sure she said they DO prioritise couples with children at that embassy. I agree it's unfair, and New Delhi is the only embassy I've heard of doing it. But I believe it does happen there.

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I know perfectly well how wonderful having a child is!! I am 6 months pregnant and as I write this I can feel my son/daughter kicking me!! I also waited for my visa to be GRANTED before trying to fall pregnant - and I have waited 33 years to be a mother (and my husband is 42) so don't try that argument either.

As a mother to be I totally disagree with you that you should get benefits for having a child!! Too many people would then fall pregnant to jump the queue and cheat the system!! Making it very unfair for people without children.....! As I said before - pregnancy is a choice and you chose to take this step before knowing the outcome of your application - you now have to deal with the consequences
sorry if was rude..
what i tried to say here was that we planned our baby during my stay in australia. I got refusal on 802subclass but we didnt realise that my wife was pregnenet until i got a picture message(imotional) from my wife that she had a pregnency test and found pregnent.Well here is the point,we didnt want to make a baby shield or wanted to use our baby for fast processing of our visa.
we neither want to make trouble for other people already waiting for their visa.Why would it make any difference for other people who already waiting in the queue.?


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Old 04-12-2015, 05:48 AM
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Why would accelerating the applications of people who have children affect other people in the queue? Because you aren't a "special snowflake" as a friend of mine likes to say - there are SO MANY people who have children who are applying for partner visas, that those of us who waited to have children until after our visas were granted and we could guarantee a stable life for a child would almost NEVER get our visas processed - it would take MUCH longer. There would always be people with children in the queue ahead of us. That's why MOST embassies don't prioritize.

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