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Old 06-20-2012, 07:38 AM
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You will need a police check for any country you have lived in for 12 months or more.

You're doing everything right to try and get a job on graduating. Try and get cozy with the NUMs on the wards you do prac. Many of the grad positions in Brisbane Hospitals are promised long before you even make your application then the interview/application are a mere formality.
I see, so that means I need both HK & Aus police checks.

My pracs are all in RBWH/PA hospital, and always in surgical ward. Particularly last prac, I got really good feedbacks from the staff, the facilitator said if they have place for grad programe in that ward, i definately have good chance to get it, if I am a local. Unfortunately, the NUM there is the old-school kind of nurse who will never talk to the students.
So for the coming (last) prac, I choose a very similar ward in a large private hospital, I think it may increase my chance to get a grad position.
Even I don't get the grad position, it's not the end of the world. I still believe there are some ways to get a job, I just need to try extra hard than the local graduate.


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I see, so that means I need both HK & Aus police checks.

My pracs are all in RBWH/PA hospital, and always in surgical ward. Particularly last prac, I got really good feedbacks from the staff, the facilitator said if they have place for grad programe in that ward, i definately have good chance to get it, if I am a local. Unfortunately, the NUM there is the old-school kind of nurse who will never talk to the students.
So for the coming (last) prac, I choose a very similar ward in a large private hospital, I think it may increase my chance to get a grad position.
Even I don't get the grad position, it's not the end of the world. I still believe there are some ways to get a job, I just need to try extra hard than the local graduate.
It doesn't make any difference if you are local or international in regards to jobs - all students struggle to get a grad position. In my year in first round offers I knew more international students that got jobs than Australian citizens! All they care about is if you have unrestricted work rights.

Yes without a doubt apply for every hospital you can think of. Ramsey, the Wes, Brisbane Private in the city, Holy Spirit Northside, Sunnybank Private. With regards to QLD health, in our day we have to order hospitals in the preference we would want to work there and certain hospitals such as the PA and RBWH wouldn't consider you if you didn't put them first. So if the system is still the same make sure you only put one or the other.


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It doesn't make any difference if you are local or international in regards to jobs - all students struggle to get a grad position. In my year in first round offers I knew more international students that got jobs than Australian citizens! All they care about is if you have unrestricted work rights.

Yes without a doubt apply for every hospital you can think of. Ramsey, the Wes, Brisbane Private in the city, Holy Spirit Northside, Sunnybank Private. With regards to QLD health, in our day we have to order hospitals in the preference we would want to work there and certain hospitals such as the PA and RBWH wouldn't consider you if you didn't put them first. So if the system is still the same make sure you only put one or the other.
Just curious, how long ago when u applied the position?
Another 'new' thing for international student to get the RN registration is that, we must get all 7s in ilets before applying to ANMC. I'm trying to get more than all 7s, as I got overall 7.5 before I came to Australia. I don't want to say the Immigration & ANMC are being too harsh to international students, but things getting a lot harder compared to few years ago.


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I understand very well the problems with the system since I have helped a number of new graduates navigate the system. The English requirement has been around for a long time. Nothing has changed in the last three years. I had to sit an English exam as well despite being an Australian citizen.
Three years ago I applied for grad positions. Very few of my graduating class managed to get jobs. I had to go rural to get a job.
You really have to get out of the mindset that everybody is against you. You're unlikely to get any sympathy from those in the system. Best just to suck it up and focus on finding a job. As you said, it was your choice to do Nursing, the tough conditions have been around for years so you knew what you were getting into before you began the program.


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I understand very well the problems with the system since I have helped a number of new graduates navigate the system. The English requirement has been around for a long time. Nothing has changed in the last three years. I had to sit an English exam as well despite being an Australian citizen.
Three years ago I applied for grad positions. Very few of my graduating class managed to get jobs. I had to go rural to get a job.
You really have to get out of the mindset that everybody is against you. You're unlikely to get any sympathy from those in the system. Best just to suck it up and focus on finding a job. As you said, it was your choice to do Nursing, the tough conditions have been around for years so you knew what you were getting into before you began the program.
Don't get me wrong, I didn't mean everybody is against me. I am really just curious how long ago you are talking about, didn't meant to challenge your comment. Maybe what I just said sound like I think Australian gov't or people are descriminate against me. But it's more like I am getting depressed when I feel I am not catching up for every single aspect of my life, e.g. money, work and studying. I know a lot of international students who are in the situation like I do. I know I am forturnate enough to have an Australian partner to help me. I think you know how expensive it is for international tuition fee for one semester (over AUS$10,000). My family can't afford to help me financially, and I am an adult, I should pay it myself if I want to study.
I am still struggling to save enough for my final semester, if I can't make it, I will need to defer the last semester until I can afford it. Even my partner is earning a good pay, but it's hard to get so much money in 2 months. I will also try to apply for the only scholarship fo international student like me. I am blaming myself more than anyone else, that I am not work hard enough to get enough money.


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I understand very well the problems with the system since I have helped a number of new graduates navigate the system. The English requirement has been around for a long time. Nothing has changed in the last three years. I had to sit an English exam as well despite being an Australian citizen.
Three years ago I applied for grad positions. Very few of my graduating class managed to get jobs. I had to go rural to get a job.
You really have to get out of the mindset that everybody is against you. You're unlikely to get any sympathy from those in the system. Best just to suck it up and focus on finding a job. As you said, it was your choice to do Nursing, the tough conditions have been around for years so you knew what you were getting into before you began the program.
Also, I sincerely apologize if what I said was offending you.


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No, it doesn't offend me but I do see far too many posts on these types of forums where international students seem to think that they are entitled to many things that if reciprocated, it would be unimaginable for an Australian citizen to get in their home country.

Think about how difficult it is for an Australian nurse to work in the UK, the UK, Canada or even Hong Kong. Australia is actually one of the easiest countries (and by far the cheapest) for international students to study and find a job after in. It is one of the few countries where the majority of graduates will find some sort of employment. Go on any nursing forum and see the hundreds of posts by UK, US, Canadian and many from Asian countries' nursing graduates asking for information about coming to Australia to do a new grad program. Why? Because there just aren't jobs overseas.

So I have made my suggestions: Look towards regional Australia. Your partner will have no trouble getting a job anywhere in Australia. Perhaps he can sacrifice one year in Brisbane so that you can get some experience.

I know the system seems unfair but when you actually research how overseas countries treat immigrants you'll find Australia is one of the easiest to live and work. Better to be grateful you have (almost) guaranteed entry to Australia through your partner.


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No, it doesn't offend me but I do see far too many posts on these types of forums where international students seem to think that they are entitled to many things that if reciprocated, it would be unimaginable for an Australian citizen to get in their home country.

Think about how difficult it is for an Australian nurse to work in the UK, the UK, Canada or even Hong Kong. Australia is actually one of the easiest countries (and by far the cheapest) for international students to study and find a job after in. It is one of the few countries where the majority of graduates will find some sort of employment. Go on any nursing forum and see the hundreds of posts by UK, US, Canadian and many from Asian countries' nursing graduates asking for information about coming to Australia to do a new grad program. Why? Because there just aren't jobs overseas.

So I have made my suggestions: Look towards regional Australia. Your partner will have no trouble getting a job anywhere in Australia. Perhaps he can sacrifice one year in Brisbane so that you can get some experience.

I know the system seems unfair but when you actually research how overseas countries treat immigrants you'll find Australia is one of the easiest to live and work. Better to be grateful you have (almost) guaranteed entry to Australia through your partner.
Fair enough, but I think if a person can't speak Cantoness and read chinese fluently, it's almost impossible to work as a RN in HK, coz our first language is Cantones. It's really 'intertesting' that, even I am HK citizens, hospital in HK won't recognize my RN degree in Australia, and I need to go through another tough qualify exam (which hold once a year, u can only have 3 attempts), and the passing rate is really really low. I am not sure about whether Australia is the cheapest country to study at the moment, coz I found the Australian dollar is getting more expensive, and have never dropped below the price when I first came here.
Just let you know, I haven never take 'getting a job after graduate' for granted, and I do not wanted to be labelled as a lazy immigrant who came to Australia to claim gov't benefit without any contribution. If I can't get over it, stop whinging, go back Hong Kong, right?

Anyway, still appreciate you are trying to give me advice on the visa and getting a nursing job in Australia.
I guess you understand exactly how it feels to be a foreigner in other country from your experiences in all these forum.


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Exactly, so you understand that it is incredibly difficult for Australians to work in HK and every other country in the world however it is incredibly easy in comparison for overseas nurses to work in Australia, and yes it is cheap. Try doing nursing in the US, UK or Canada. Why do you think they come here?
Anyway, we're flogging a dead horse here. You know all this and it isn't what the forum is about. Plenty of other places to vent if you still want to.


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