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Old 11-07-2015, 01:46 AM
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The good ship Titanic.

Applicants (for just about any visa) who intend DIY should at least consult a registered migration agent for an assessment.

Quite often DIY applicants, even if successful, do not proceed in the most advantageous manner.

The DIBP publishes the percentage of applicants who retained the services of a registered migration agent to lodge applications, but does not publish the relative success rates for DIY cf. applicants represented by unregistered agents (including 'education' agents) or registered migration agents.

Many DIY applicants have have avoided serious issues by seeking an assessment from a registered migration agent before doing it themselves.

I spend about 40% of my time on compliance issues, professional development studies, reviewing obscure difficulties that have been published on various forums and trying to find solutions.

I have reviewed thousands of DIY applications and I have yet to see one I could not improve.
I like the Titanic quote it certainly feels like it sometimes when you have done a DIY application. An assessment is a very wise thing before applying DIY, once again this is what we did before we applied. Mind you i went to as many agents that i could to pick their brains before they charged me a consultation fee then found this forum. We were saving for our wedding at the time.

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Old 11-07-2015, 02:49 AM
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Mind you i went to as many agents that i could to pick their brains before they charged me a consultation fee then found this forum.
This is one of the reasons I seldom do free consultations nowadays.I have had too many people abuse these initial consultations, when they had no intention whatsoever to ever pay for my time, knowledge and experience.

Other than responding to general inquiries,an initial introduction, and my contributions to various forums, I have more or less stopped providing free advice full stop.

I don't understand why there is this expectation that migration agents should provide a free service. Doctors and dentists don't ,neither do mechanics, accountants, IT people or any other profession I can think of.

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Old 11-08-2015, 12:04 AM
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This is one of the reasons I seldom do free consultations nowadays.I have had too many people abuse these initial consultations, when they had no intention whatsoever to ever pay for my time, knowledge and experience.

Other than responding to general inquiries,an initial introduction, and my contributions to various forums, I have more or less stopped providing free advice full stop.

I don't understand why there is this expectation that migration agents should provide a free service. Doctors and dentists don't ,neither do mechanics, accountants, IT people or any other profession I can think of.

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I don't think paying for an agents time is the problem, the problem is the actual costs you guys charge. It's daylight robbery. The costs charged verses the quality of serves IMHO is simply not worth it. I think a lot of agents simply take clients for a ride, it's like anything really if it's reasonably priced then most people won't have a problem paying for the service. A lot of immigrants simply can't a ford it. A spouse visa is about 7 grand now, a year a go it was 5 a few years before that it was about 2.5. You add agent fees to that and that's a hell of a lot of money. Not to mention people who have not even moved here yet with the costs involved in migrating. Mind you I'm pretty sure agents overseas will be a hell of a lot cheaper. Everything in Australia is more expensive especially Perth. We pay for the same products the same services etc but pay ten time more than anywhere else int he world.

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Old 11-08-2015, 12:30 AM
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I just spent a week in Perth and I agree that it is insanely expensive.

Like any professions, level of fees, service and expertise will vary. You'll find the same with accountants, lawyers , mechanics, dentists and even medical specialists.

Considering the costs involved in running a legitimate migration practice, our fees are quite reasonable. Cheap advice is just that.

I disagree that overseas practitioners are always cheaper. I have taken over several failed cases from overseas so-called migration agents, who charged considerably more than I do. They did provide an additional service though: the production of fake documents.

It is of course totally up to the individual if they want to use a registered migration agent or not, but I think your statement that it is a waste of money is absolutely out of order.

There are many shonky and incompetent operators out there for sure. However, there are many more very competent and honest practitioners out there and it is not so hard to find them.

You may find though that most of them are too busy with legitimate, paying clients to be able to waste much time on free- loaders.

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What des an "assessment" detail and cost?


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What des an "assessment" detail and cost?
An assessment would typically involve very detailed research into all possible visa pathways based on a person's personal circumstances.

Cost would depend on complexity (skills assessments,health/ character issues, sponsor issues etc.).

Most agents will provide a free personalised quote based on the applicant's unique situation.

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What's an hour of your time cost Nick?


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What's an hour of your time cost Nick?
$ 165.00 incl. GST

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I just spent a week in Perth and I agree that it is insanely expensive.

Like any professions, level of fees, service and expertise will vary. You'll find the same with accountants, lawyers , mechanics, dentists and even medical specialists.

Considering the costs involved in running a legitimate migration practice, our fees are quite reasonable. Cheap advice is just that.

I disagree that overseas practitioners are always cheaper. I have taken over several failed cases from overseas so-called migration agents, who charged considerably more than I do. They did provide an additional service though: the production of fake documents.

It is of course totally up to the individual if they want to use a registered migration agent or not, but I think your statement that it is a waste of money is absolutely out of order.

There are many shonky and incompetent operators out there for sure. However, there are many more very competent and honest practitioners out there and it is not so hard to find them.

You may find though that most of them are too busy with legitimate, paying clients to be able to waste much time on free- loaders.
Hi Nick,

I just want to clarify one thing, I never said using an agent was a waste of money. I'm implying that they are over priced for the services rendered. For example, I see one of the top Rheumatologists in WA for a joint problem I have. I pay $70 for about a 45 -60 minute consultation, I've also had a bilateral hernia operation done which cost about two or three thousand dollars (When not covered under the public system)

The Doctors and Surgeons are highly skilled and trained and have studied for many, many years. However in comparison, they are cheaper than the industry you work in. When it comes to relativity and the skill set a client pays for I simply think your industry is over priced. Those "freeloaders" are simply people wanting a better life for themselves and their families.

Getting back to the original post though, like I said it all depends on how complicated your case is. In my circumstance my case was straight forward hence I did not see the need to spend thousands of dollars on something I could do myself. (Just like many people on this forum) At the beginning I did seek free advice from agents who were willing to give it. I admire people like Mark who genuinely cares, and is not out to make a quick buck off an unsuspecting client. You only need to view the Ask Mark thread to see that. Long story short, professional advice is great if you think you need it and are willing to pay the price.

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Old 11-08-2015, 12:20 PM
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I have no problem with people seeking a better life. I have done so myself many years ago with the help of a very good migration agent.

I do however object to people trying to take advantage of me.Whenever I get someone coming to see me who has obviously already "picked the brains" of several other agents, I pretty much ask for a consultation fee straight up rather than being milked for free professional advice.

I also object to migration agents trying to make a quick buck out of unsuspecting clients. I object to mechanics, real estate and computer repair people and dentists doing that sort thing as well and there is plenty of that going around.

If you knew the cost of becoming and being a migration agent, you might be better able to understand the fee structure.Most of us provide (some) free advice or do pro bono cases where we can, but at the end of the day we are running a business and must make a living.

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