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Old 07-18-2012, 06:09 PM
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Offshore Partner visa from Brazil, HELP NEEDED PLEASE

Hi,
so i guess ill give a quick description of our situation.
I met my Brazilian man in Australia last June, 2011. Im an Australian citizen.
He had overstayed his Australian student visa, so after we had been dating for a few months had to leave Australia and return to Brazil.
I finished my nursing degree at university and followed him to Brazil 3 months later.
We were married in Brazil in March 2012 and have now been together for over a year (married for 3 months)
We are currently living in Porto Alegre, but want to return to Australia, so will be applying for a partner visa very soon.

We wanted to wait until we had at least known each other for a year to strengthen our application

I have a few questions about submitting this visa in Brasilia...
Am hoping someone on this forum may have some answers for me.....

Do you need to apply in person in Brasilia, or via post??
How long after you submitted the paperwork was your interview???

Do both people get interviewed by a case worker, or just the non-Australian??

Can family write stat decs about our relationship, when they have not actually met my husband in person, but we talk regularly via skype, (they watched our wedding ceremony via skype)

If anyone could answer any of these questions for me, it would be greatly appreciated.


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Old 08-08-2012, 02:16 PM
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Hi there

My Brazilian partner applied for a partner visa via the post and it was acknowledged by Brasilia about a week later, on June 19th. He was asked to get his medicals and police checks and he did them promptly. The medicals are sent direct to the embassy. The police checks were fairly straight forward, they can be done online (get both state and federal police checks) but have to be translated by a sworn translator. This has proven to be SUPER EXPENSIVE - everything in Portuguese that is not written by you or your partner HAS to be translated. My partner has had the following translated:

birth certificate, national ID card, CPF card, military service card, voting ID card (but probably didn't need to), federal and state police checks, and supporting letters from Brazilian family and friends.

All these things FIRST need to be copied and certified by a 'Autenticada em cartorio' and then translated. The only things that don't need certifying are things that you or he have written yourselves (always write in English!). With any supporting letters (which has to be in Portuguese) from Brazilian family and friends, they first need to get their statements notarized at the Cartorio in person and then you get the certified copies translated. You cannot get anything in English notarized at the Cartorio. This is where the expense sets in! I think close to A$700 was spent on translations.

With the stat decs from Australians.... my God these were a headache! I had one from my friend, my two sisters and my mother (who have all met him in person). Only my friend read the instructions carefully - they have to get a copy of their birth certificate or passport witnessed as well as the stat dec. My mother and one sister were able to do this but the other sister went on holidays just before. She had a copy of her passport but it wasn't certified. I sent it anyway in the hope that the embassy officials could see that she was in family photos and so on. But yeah Australian stat decs proved to be the biggest headache, it seems others on this forum can also attest to this. I found I had to constantly remind all four of my stat dec'ers to hurry up!

About three weeks ago my partner was advised by email to attend an interview in Brasilia (he's attending in a few hours actually). This is the only time that I also got an email from the embassy. Previously only he got them. The one I got was a copy of his, and it basically said I didn't need to attend the interview in person.

Again about the stat decs... I believe it helps if your family have met him, but mostly the stat decs are more about whether they believe your relationship is genuine and ongoing. There would be plenty of people who have been in your situation before, and have had family members who haven't met your partner physically but know about your relationship in other ways (skype, etc).

I hope this helps! It's quite specific to Brazil of course. The only difference is that we're a same-sex couple and you are married, but the rest of the procedure is pretty much the same. Tomorrow morning I'll find out how his interview process went and post the results here

Cheers,
Luke


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Old 08-08-2012, 10:14 PM
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Luke.. thankyou sooo much and Specific to Brazil was exactly what i was after :-)
i didnt realise that we had to get the police checks translated as they had said to provide te originals, so thats good to know..
will add that to the costly list of translations, we recently had to do the reverse (get all my documents into portuguese) to get married, so i know its a shitty expensive process.
I´m having the same issues with stat decs, my closest friend and the one who knows our relationship and my husband the best is away in indonesia on holiday for 5 weeks, so we´re playing the waiting game for her to get back and get her stuff certified..

okay so june 19th.. and its now the start of August that your partner is being interviewed.. good to know current time frames.....
I got an email from Immi saying we wouldnt need to attend an interview and just to send our application in by post, but seeings as that reply originated from their customer enquiry centre in Canada (WTF) i´m taking that with a grain of salt..
Especially as my husband overstayed, i´m pretty certain they will be wanting to interview him.
Massive good luck for your partners interview and i would love to hear the outcome.
Thanks so much for taking the time to reply to my post, i really appreciate it :-)


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Old 08-08-2012, 10:47 PM
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Hi guys

Sorry to barge in on this topic, but I guess I can provide some useful information.

Before translating anything, double check with the embassy and the hotline if it real needs to be translated and certified.
I'll tell you why. I submitted my partner visa 8 months ago from Portugal and sent everything to Madrid. And I recall reading somewhere,can't remember where that the Portuguese documents I supplied didn't have to be translated. But before doing anything I contacted the hotline to double check if what I read was correct. And guess what it was! I saved quite a lot of money! The same goes for certifying documents, only legal ones need to be certified, like passport, birth certificate, ID copies. Even you bank statements do not need to be certified. You can always provide them with the original, and if that's not possible, if you online access to your bank account you can download a printed copy from it. It valid!

I only certified our passports, my birth certificate and the ppl signing the statuary declarations passports. Even the utility bill I sent the the original, they where 5 years old so didn't need to have them.

Had a friend who also submitted her application same time as me, and was not informed correctly. Not only did she translate every single document, she was told by a person she new from an Australian embassy, that all documents had to be certified at the Australian embassy. Can you imagine the costs involved?!
So while I paid around 1700€ roughly for everything, she paid around 5000€, quite a big difference huh?

My advice to you is contact them at the embassy, contact the hot line, and double check if your really need to translate your documents. My guess is no. If you where sending your application off to Australia, Germany for example to be processed, it would make sense. But in Brasilia I doubt it because they can legally verify the information in each document, after all they understand Portuguese and can verify that the document provided is legal.

Hope this helps

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Yes you would think we could have just sent the copies of originals in Portuguese to the embassy, but you have to remember that a lot of the decision-making can be done back in Australia, by people who don't speak Portuguese. That's why even on the application forms it stipulates that all documents have to be translated into English. Official and otherwise.

The other thing that may be different is that Brazil is in the 'high risk' category of countries and Portugal isn't.

Oh and with the police checks... yes send the originals, no need to get them certified (I forgot about that). They can be printed out and suffice as the 'originals'.


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Yes you would think we could have just sent the copies of originals in Portuguese to the embassy, but you have to remember that a lot of the decision-making can be done back in Australia, by people who don't speak Portuguese. That's why even on the application forms it stipulates that all documents have to be translated into English. Official and otherwise.

The other thing that may be different is that Brazil is in the 'high risk' category of countries and Portugal isn't.

Oh and with the police checks... yes send the originals, no need to get them certified (I forgot about that). They can be printed out and suffice as the 'originals'.
Just thought it would help TO double check. I guess i was wrong...

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Interview results

Ok so here was the general idea on time frames given at my partner's interview at the Aus Embassy in Brasilia. Some interesting facts that I haven't heard of before, too!

He was asked all the usual questions, how he met me, what do I do, who my family members are and so on. Many questions almost identical to ones that I've seen posted on here before.

At the end of the interview, the case officer told him that in regards to granting a visa, he can expect one to be granted by January at the latest, roughly 6-7 months after the initial receipt of the application. She told him it was good that he applied in June, as it enables him to be one of the first in the queue for 2013 immigration positions.

She then explained that he could be granted a visa sooner, if a position came up. But in order to do so, he would have to be in Brazil at the time, not in Australia on a tourist visa. If he was, the position would go to the person next in line and he wouldn't even be told about it.

So as frustrating as it is not having been able to see him since March, the question is that yes he could be here on a tourist visa with me, but unable to work or do any of the things a permanent resident could, and have to wait until January to get the visa (meaning an exit out of the country to NZ and then back again).
The alternative is that we just wait in the hope that a position might come up sooner and he can come here in a matter of months on a permanent visa. It's really quite a dilemma! I hope he does get it soon, flights in Jan are very expensive as we all know!

Hope this all helps. Any questions about the visa process let me know, I've kept a record of everything that was done and emailed hehe

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Rufa.. barging in is completely okay.. the more input the merrier :-)
and i think i will take your advice to check with the embassy hotline about the translation/certification..... saving any $$$$ is worth it, especially with the meagre salary i am earning here in Brazil English teaching...
good to hear the police checks dont have to be translated, i was confused by that one..
Luke, did your man have to do the high risk country form (form 80) i think??
They havent specified that we need to do it, but dont want them to later change their minds and then have the process delayed..
the if u apply offshore u must be offshore thing is difficult heh, and sucks that u have to stay apart because of it so as not to risk missing out and havign to wait longer, guess its all worth it in the long run..
I was only apart from my man for 3 months while i finished uni in australia, but it was long enough..
some days i hate feeling like i´m ´trapped´in brazil because of his visa situation, but i dont wanna return to Aus without him....
I also read about the benefits of getting your application in early in the financial year to be earlier in the queue, but unfortunately we still havent got everything together.
thank you both for your input.. i really appreciate you taking the time, as its always good to hear advice from people who have been through or are going throuhg the process, rather than generic info from immigration websites


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Here's another update - bit the bullet and paid another $115 for a tourist visa as when I asked the embassy what the percentage rate was for partner visas being granted early, I was told "We don't keep records of that nature". Hmmm, okay.

So - applied for the tourist visa online, which is so much quicker than the first time when it was paper-based! Applied Wednesday last week and it was granted this morning! I've explained that he is awaiting a permanent resident visa and that we will go to New Zealand for a weekend when it's granted (fingers crossed). We're doing this knowing that if he gets an early permanent visa whilst in Australia, it will get given to the next person instead. That's okay, because flights in January are twice as expensive and it's possible that he won't get the visa until the end of January - I don't want to spend the entire school holidays without him (yep, I'm a teacher )

The only question is whether he needs a return flight or not. He doesn't need one, as he's not returning to Brazil any time soon. If anyone reading this has advice, let me know!

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thats awesome about how fast the tourist visa came through.. and that you get to have him with you in AUSTRALIA!!! i wish we had the option to do the same, but as my man overstayed he cant get a tourist visa, so we are stuck here in Brazil for now.... and yay also to ....an excuse for a trip to NZ...
Thanks for letting me know your update and please keep me posted :-)


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