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Old 12-13-2015, 09:53 PM
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Maybe more simply - how does a UK passport holder enter Australia for a 8 week holiday?

The child in question holds dual nationality with these documents - a UK passport; and Australia Citizenship by Descent certificate (but currently no passport).

UK passport holders can apply for a tourist visa (651) for free, that is granted automatically via an online form.

For the purposes of the visit is seems easier to forget about any Australian nationality and get the 651.

What is becoming clear from this thread is that an Australian citizen needs an Australian passport to enter Australia. Without a passport they may be denied entry.

Separately, someone holding a 309 grant notice just needs to present this along with their valid passport to gain entry to Australia; and activate the 309 visa.

I think I now know the answers but wanted to validate my understanding before getting on the plane.


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One thing to remember.

When arriving at immigration, people get checked to ensure they will be allowed in.

You will be an Australian with a Partner holding a partner Visa, but also with a child that is just a tourist.

What will the immigration officer think ?

If it is just a holiday why didn't the partner just get a tourist visa too ?
Why the need for a partner Visa, but not for the child ?


I think you will be OK in the end, but I feel sure questions will be asked.

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Old 12-14-2015, 02:40 AM
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An Australian Citizen CANNOT hold any visa for Australia.
If your child holds citizenship by descent then they cannot hold a tourist visa with a British passport.
You must obtain an Australian passport for them to enter Australia on.

I am almost certain of those facts, hopefully one of the forum seniors can confirm for you.

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I intend to contact the embassy who issued my partner's visa to confirm our position.

I am a dual citizen and have traveled to Australia several times on my non-Australian passport with an electronic tourist visa.

The problem now is we do not have time to attain a passport in such a short time.

While I appreciate the views, I cannot see why our child would be denied entry when we have a return flight ticket and adequate documentation proving our status. Agreed this is not in the form of a child Australia passport however a valid UK passport with appropriate visa; and as a back up Australia Citizenship of Descent Certificate?

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I intend to contact the embassy who issued my partner's visa to confirm our position.
That sounds like a good idea. Just be clear to them of all the relevant info.

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I've heard it can be possible to travel to Australia on a foreign passport as long as you have evidence of your Australian citizenship. Immigration may give you a bit of a hassle upon arrival with extra questions and the need to find your child in their systems, etc. Be prepared for a bigger hassle at departure from the UK since the airline requires proof that she has a visa and they can't see her citizenship in their system, so they'll give a bigger hassle as they would need to contact DIBP, etc. before they will let you board.

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I've heard it can be possible to travel to Australia on a foreign passport as long as you have evidence of your Australian citizenship. Immigration may give you a bit of a hassle upon arrival with extra questions and the need to find your child in their systems, etc. Be prepared for a bigger hassle at departure from the UK since the airline requires proof that she has a visa and they can't see her citizenship in their system, so they'll give a bigger hassle as they would need to contact DIBP, etc. before they will let you board.
My sister is a dual citizen. Lost her Aussie passport and had a trip planned from UK to Australia and didn't have time to replace her Aussie passport.
She took her Australian birth certificate with her and travelled on her UK passport as she thought this would be proof enough to get her past Australian boarder. Sadly she didn't make it that far and was denied boarding by the airline. Apparently an Aussie birth certificate is not proof of citizenship.
She was told by the high commission in London that she was not eligible for a tourist visa. So she had to delay her trip until she was able to get a replacement passport.

If your child is already an Aussie citizen why not get the passport and prevent any possible problems as buying new tickets etc are very expensive if you are denied boarding. Especially as its you and your partner.

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My sister is a dual citizen. Lost her Aussie passport and had a trip planned from UK to Australia and didn't have time to replace her Aussie passport.
She took her Australian birth certificate with her and travelled on her UK passport as she thought this would be proof enough to get her past Australian boarder. Sadly she didn't make it that far and was denied boarding by the airline. Apparently an Aussie birth certificate is not proof of citizenship.
She was told by the high commission in London that she was not eligible for a tourist visa. So she had to delay her trip until she was able to get a replacement passport.
I am still awaiting a response from the Australian Embassy.

I don't know all the circumstances in your sisters case but had she tried to apply for a tourist visa on her UK passport?

Was she denied boarding in the UK or on route?

When was this? Recently or years ago?

Odd as I and others (Australian citizens) have traveled numerous times to Australia on a non-Australian passport with a tourist visa. Never had issues from the airline or border control.

Do the airlines use VEVO to validate credentials?


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I am still awaiting a response from the Australian Embassy.

I don't know all the circumstances in your sisters case but had she tried to apply for a tourist visa on her UK passport?

Was she denied boarding in the UK or on route?

When was this? Recently or years ago?

Odd as I and others (Australian citizens) have traveled numerous times to Australia on a non-Australian passport with a tourist visa. Never had issues from the airline or border control.

Do the airlines use VEVO to validate credentials?
It was about 3-4 years ago. She was told that she was not eligible to apply for a tourist visa and could not apply for one by Aus embassy. I don't know how others have got one, maybe by deception? But she was very clearly told, as was I when I called, that Aussie citizens can't get tourist visa and MUST travel on Australian passport. So she never applied for a tourist visa.
She was denied boarding in the UK thankfully so she wasn't stuck in limbo half way!
I guess it's a risk you have to take if you don't have any other options but it isn't a risk that I would be willing to take given the potential costs involved.

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