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Old 08-25-2012, 04:33 AM
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Unhappy This forum has me in tears :(

Hi everyone,

I've just joined this forum, after stumbling upon it whilst doing some research into my situation.

I am utterly gobsmacked and feel gutted and scared

My situation:

Early this year I met my soulmate online. He is a Mexican citizen with a US Greencard and has been living in the US for more than 20 years, but has never gotten around to becoming a US citizen, although he is eligible to apply for naturalization the process is long.

He is currently unemployed and living with his sibling while looking for work, his last employment being late 2011.

We desperately want to be together and since I have a good job here in Australia (I am born in Australia and an Aussie Citizen), I want him to come and visit me and see Australia and actually MEET him.

He has not yet applied for a tourist visa, as he is just in the process or renewing his Mexican passport before applying.

Now, here is me with the impression that pretty much anyone wanting to visit Australia can come here (how dumb am I) easily with a short tourist visa, I'm suddenly realising that not only is his tourist visa likely to be rejected because he will probably be seen as:

- from a high risk country even though he hasn't lived there in decades
- has no employment at present so they will see it as no reason to go back
- has no savings - I am wanting to pay for this trip

I'm totally gutted.

I've spent the last few hours pouring over the forum and discovering that I may have set myself up for absolute heartbreak.

I'm not loaded with money, but I have enough to look after us, but not enough for trips back and forth all the time and expensive migration lawyers and......oh god......Is it really this hard?

If he could just get a tourist visa....but now I am terrified that he will be rejected (which I had not even considered a possibility - when you see the amount of backpackers here.....travelling off the smell of an oily rag with no set itinerary).

I see that I can write a letter stating that I will be his financial support whilst here, and show my earnings etc. And he can show that all his family are there and he has ties even though he is out of work.........is this hopeless?

I know nobody can tell me for sure. I guess I'm just venting and hoping someone can tell me that it isn't hopeless.

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Old 08-25-2012, 04:37 AM
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Also reading everyone's stories of spending years apart while trying to deal with the red tape.

I stupidly thought that if you married an Australian you could live here. What the hell? I can't believe what some of you have gone through, it's so unfair.


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Old 08-25-2012, 05:26 AM
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OK so after having more of a think about it, I'm trying to put together a course of action.

1. Submit an application on the Mexican passport for a travel visa and hope that it is not denied

2. If it is denied, he will have to go ahead and do the whole US citizenship thing which will be months and months before he can even get a US passport

If he was denied a travel visa as a Mexican citizen, would it have implications on a later application as a US citizen?

I realise that the US and Mexico are classed very differently when it comes to these things. Would the fact that he is a US permanent resident/Greencard holder weigh in his favour, or would it be seen as the same as someone living in Mexico?

Surely it would be different....I can see someone in Mexico wanting to skip the country (obviously), but if they were already a permanent resident, surely the risk is nothing compared?



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Hey there. You have done your research and that is fantastic.
While I do understand your frustration, do understand that the system is in place to protect you and everyone else. Countries are classified as low and high risk due to several reasons one of them being people overstaying visas.
Since he is from a high risk country, still note that his history in the US is a big plus. Being legal in the US is another plus. The negative is he has no stable income, I.e. no compelling reasons for returning back to the US as it is much easier to get a job here (and the pay is higher).
However you are his sponsor. So you have a good and strong base to start with, so don't panic yet.

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Old 08-25-2012, 05:41 AM
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Thank you Boboa. I'm glad that there could be some pluses that will weigh in his favour.

I looked up the stats on Mexico on the Modified Non-Return Rate list and Mexico is actually really low, less than New Zealand in the last quarter.


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Old 08-25-2012, 05:43 AM
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I do understand the need for the scrutiny. I just wonder how so many of the tourists I meet and are here with pretty much nothing ever get a visa.

I guess it's all about where you come from.


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They usually look at percentages. Say 10 people from country X visit Australia 1 overstays, meaning there is 10% overstay, this is considered high. Now say 250,000 visit from country Y, 12,500 overstay, this is 5% which might be taken as OK.
Anyhow you shouldn't over-stress, just put your energy in preparing a neat, clean and strong application.

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Old 08-25-2012, 01:04 PM
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I'm so sorry to hear that you might end up in a pickle... but please remember that the war can't be won before the first battle is fought - hell even after the first battle the war doesn't have to be over. Love is worth stretching your imagination endlessly in order to be together, and if this is right, that is exactly what you two will do.

Always remember that this is your first meeting - if for whatever reason he is denied a short tourist visa (the chances of that nobody can tell you, I think, because tourist visas don't have as much of a checklist as the "bigger" visas as to what are absolute dealbreakers) you can still eventually go visit him. Since you have work, it probably won't be for long, but to get that first meeting "over with" it is worth it. Look, I met my Aussie man online, too, but actually through gaming (I was the leader of an alliance that was his alliance's biggest enemy LOL *geek alert* ANYWAY), and we both decided to meet RIGHT AWAY to make sure we weren't getting our hopes up over something that had no real life chemistry. At the time he flew me over to Australia I was unemployed, but I was not from a high risk country.

Just remember that the first meet-up right now is your one and only concern, and that takes just one short visa, and you have two countries to meet up in, if not more. You do what you have to do to meet each other first to make sure it feels right and will be worth the future battles. We were extremely lucky that real life chemistry was just as perfect as online, and at that point we knew it was gonna be worth any paperwork battle to be and stay together. Until then you'll find a way trust yourself.

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Old 08-25-2012, 01:42 PM
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Thank you Boboa and Nelly. I very much appreciate your kind and wise words.

Nelly, we met on a discussion forum....not unlike this one in fact! My god.....talk about things coming to you when you least expect it. I could never have imagined I'd be looking into this stuff 8 or 9 months ago.

I'm glad to hear that you were able to get a tourist visa even though you were unemployed. Hopefully he will too. Even if it means we have to wait for his US citizenship to go through.


My main concern now is ----- would a denied tourist visa on his Mexican passport jeopardise any future application once he is a US citizen?


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Old 08-25-2012, 02:49 PM
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Thank you Boboa and Nelly. I very much appreciate your kind and wise words.

Nelly, we met on a discussion forum....not unlike this one in fact! My god.....talk about things coming to you when you least expect it. I could never have imagined I'd be looking into this stuff 8 or 9 months ago.

I'm glad to hear that you were able to get a tourist visa even though you were unemployed. Hopefully he will too. Even if it means we have to wait for his US citizenship to go through.


My main concern now is ----- would a denied tourist visa on his Mexican passport jeopardise any future application once he is a US citizen?
Having had a visa denied in the past can get in the way when applying for future visas, however it is no guarantee, and usually the only times past denials get in the way is if there was a pretty serious reason for the visa being denied at the time. Lying, seemingly "dodgy" intentions for the past application, having not reported having a criminal record... usually, when you are completely transparent with immigration, they appreciate it. So say his first visa application gets denied, and he applies for a second one as a US citizen - as long as he is honest about having been denied before, and why he was denied, I don't see why that would get in the way unless they had a pretty severe reason for denying him. Wait for someone else to confirm this as well, but I'm pretty sure that honesty with immigration goes a very long way with visas like tourist visa.

And yes... I never expected to fall in love with an Aussie, let alone through a silly online game, let alone with a gamer I am a big traveler but I had never been to Australia and honestly had never really been extremely drawn to it either, bad as that sounds. I didn't see this coming at all in any way and as much as I love Australia I don't think I would have ever left my old life behind and jumped into this giant black hole called "visa application" unless I knew for sure that this relationship was the best thing that will ever happen to me. Sometimes you have to follow your gut and you should, too - trust that if this is right, it will happen, and you and him both have the power to make it happen.

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