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Old 12-26-2012, 01:22 PM
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. Yes why do they ask about arabic ancestry i could never understand why this question was being asked, it almost sounds raciest... I was asked this question and although i put NO my father is of Maltese nationality, yes our language is made up of arabic but they still wanted a letter stating that the Maltese language was a language of its own and no way linked to Arab countries. Could never understand this, i think they believe that Malta is an arabic country and its not.
I may be wrong but I think they are wanting to see if there is any possible terrorist link in terms of the Arabic question on form 80.

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I may be wrong but I think they are wanting to see if there is any possible terrorist link in terms of the Arabic question on form 80.
I've always thought that these sorts of questions had to do with naming systems in those languages, i.e. on Arabic documents the full name always appears, including the father's and grandfather's names. So it would make sense for them to ask for this level of information since Form 80 is to enable them to make security checks within the home country of the applicant.

However, I did always wonder why they weren't already including a question about Russian names, because the Russian system does commonly use the patronymic (derived from the father's name) in everyday documents and communication, and this does not count as a middle name in the English system.

It is curious to me why they're only starting to ask about this now as the Russian naming system has never been a secret.


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I've always thought that these sorts of questions had to do with naming systems in those languages, i.e. on Arabic documents the full name always appears, including the father's and grandfather's names. So it would make sense for them to ask for this level of information since Form 80 is to enable them to make security checks within the home country of the applicant.

However, I did always wonder why they weren't already including a question about Russian names, because the Russian system does commonly use the patronymic (derived from the father's name) in everyday documents and communication, and this does not count as a middle name in the English system.

It is curious to me why they're only starting to ask about this now as the Russian naming system has never been a secret.
Wow, ok you win!!! Iol. Your reason sounds pretty good to me.


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Wow, ok you win!!! Iol. Your reason sounds pretty good to me.
Haha

But I'm still wondering why it's only at the end of 2012 that they've decided that they need to know Russian patronymics So maybe there is something about ethnic profiling going on, although for what reason Russia is involved I couldn't even guess. The other curious thing is that many other cultures and countries have their own naming systems which diverge from the "norm" of the English sydtem (or rather, from what an Australian would expect), so why aren't they included too? Yes, of course it would be overkill to include even ten, but there must be something else going on here that they've chosen these three in particular... Perhaps you're not too far away from the truth!


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I've always thought that these sorts of questions had to do with naming systems in those languages, i.e. on Arabic documents the full name always appears, including the father's and grandfather's names. So it would make sense for them to ask for this level of information since Form 80 is to enable them to make security checks within the home country of the applicant.

However, I did always wonder why they weren't already including a question about Russian names, because the Russian system does commonly use the patronymic (derived from the father's name) in everyday documents and communication, and this does not count as a middle name in the English system.

It is curious to me why they're only starting to ask about this now as the Russian naming system has never been a secret.
You are correct . For example often a person in Russia will be called Sasha Vladimirovich, where the second name is his fathers name and not his last name. DIAC is trying to capture this in the documents as it leads to possible fraud and difficulties when applicants try to obtain documents later (think drivers license).

While in Arabic names often a person would have five or four names, example Mr Ahmad Najaf Bander Saed. Where the system goes First name, fathers name, grandfathers name, last name. Again this is very different to English or Western system where the names would be presumed first , middle and last names.

Similar situation with Chinese names. Not all countries are included simply because if Sevareid reasons, there are not many applicants to change a for for them, the system didn't catch up yet, DIAC and ASIO didn't run into issues checking background and character info for these yet.

* all names are fictional

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Does anyone still have access to this document, or is anyone able to find it again? I used my best Google-fu, and I can't find the application/rejection rates for PMV applicants that were linked to in the now-defunct Google Doc.

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Does anyone still have access to this document, or is anyone able to find it again? I used my best Google-fu, and I can't find the application/rejection rates for PMV applicants that were linked to in the now-defunct Google Doc.
Is this the one you are looking for?
If it is I cant copy the link or attach the file.
Let me know if this is the one and I'll work out how to attach to a reply.

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That is exactly it, iduno! You are a genius! I had to do some finagling in the Google source code to figure out the URL to link, but here it is. Keep in mind, anyone who clicks, that clicking this link will download the PDF document directly from the Senate website.

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That is exactly it, iduno! You are a genius! I had to do some finagling in the Google source code to figure out the URL to link, but here it is. Keep in mind, anyone who clicks, that clicking this link will download the PDF document directly from the Senate website.
Interesting reading CG, you need an apple computer, I can open the original link that McCamel put on here last year.

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I could read it just fine when he originally posted it, and my computer hasn't changed... so I don't think it's that. But my fiance would agree with you... he insists my next computer will be a Mac. lol

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