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Old 12-21-2012, 08:09 AM
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Hi...its Dunans hubby here... Kitty is totally correct so i will try n put it this way to make it a tad clearer.....n this is only my opinion.

No1. Immigration needs to know above all else that its a genuine relationship..engagement, marriage etc mean pretty much JS.

What does JS mean? I am not familiar with this term, sorry

2. So you need to meet in person...she comes to Oz or u go to Dubai...Make sure you take lots of photos, receipts anything to prove you are doing things a normal couple would do...Open a joint bank account in Either country...As an Aussie you will have a superannuation policy...make her part of your beneficiary nominations.

Ok, noted.. I will open a joint bank account here in Oz and even get her to open one in Dubai.. But does this mean we also have to send each other money when we have joint bank accounts every now and then?


3 Getting a T.Visa just yet is up to you but i would go visit her and if you can spend time there doing all the things a couple would do n document everything.

I went to Dubai for a week to meet her and her family, and later decided that we would get engaged. Before this, we were chatting over whatsapp/facebook.

We spend time together as a couple, and we treated each other, but all was paid in cash, so I dont have any receipts from Dubai


4.When you have a minimum 1 year of evidence (incl chat etc from before you posted here) then let her apply for a PMV (Prospective Spousal Visa) She fills her own application n you fill yours as a sponsor. You can do so in Oz n she in Dubai. Send her your completed form n she will lodge both at Aus Embassy in Dubai..

I will be going over to Dubai to marry her, and the engagement will be here in Aus, sometime in February next year.

Are these the same forms as form 47SP together with the form 40SP??

Also, if there are, I am planning to fill these forms here in Aus, and take them with me to Dubai and lodge them there, later when I get married.


5. Then just wait like the rest of us....she is from a Low Risk country (Canada) so maybe 6 months it might take to get visa....

Hopefully

Cheers mate...By the way dont worry about the medical stuff yet...her CO will tell her when n where to go....
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Old 12-21-2012, 08:35 AM
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Reading the booklet, I quote this specifically:

Evidence of your relationship
There are 4 broad categories of evidence that you need to provide:
• financial aspects;
• the nature of the household;
• social context of the relationship; and
• the nature of your commitment to each other.

I can do the following:

• Correspondence and itemized phone accounts to show that contact was maintained during any period of separation.
• Joint bank account
• evidence that you and your partner have declared your relationship to government bodies, commercial/public institutions or authorities;
• statutory declarations made by your or your partner’s parents, family members, relatives and other friends ( I think this is form 888);

Now, I just really cant get my heard around the fact, how does one prove the fact that between getting Engaged and later married down the track a few months later, to provide the following during our separation:

Joint utilities accounts - I have a few bills in my name here in Aus, so can I now get this changed so in our joint names , plus my partner doesn't have any bills in Dubai, as she is living in Dubai with her family, so all her expenses are paid for.

Plus I also read:

• correspondence addressed to both you and your partner at the same address

Is this talking about the bills that will be in our joint account names addressed to me and my partner.

Some bills get emailed to me here in Aus, so can I forward these to her in Dubai via email, or does this specifically need to be posted internationally outside Australia to her by the relevant company?

Any suggestions what I shall do?

Thanks


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Just get as much evidence as you can.

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Cheers Kttykat.

Honestly, I dont want to sound like Im not doing my homework, I really am, but just not too sure on the answers to my questions in the previous post

Once I can find those answers, I will get a clear picture on the type of evidence required and this will make my application process a bit simple, well at least I hope so


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Cheers Kttykat.

Honestly, I dont want to sound like Im not doing my homework, I really am, but just not too sure on the answers to my questions in the previous post

Once I can find those answers, I will get a clear picture on the type of evidence required and this will make my application process a bit simple, well at least I hope so
Evidence that your relationship is genuine
When you apply for a Partner visa, you must provide evidence that supports your claims of a genuine and
continuing relationship with your partner.
History of your relationship
You and your partner must each provide a statement regarding the history of your relationship, including:
• how, when and where you fi rst met;
• how your relationship developed;
• when you decided to marry or commence a de facto partner relationship;
• your domestic arrangements – how you support each other fi nancially, physically and emotionally
and when this level of commitment began;
• any periods of separation – when and why the separation occurred, for how long and how you
maintained your relationship during the period of separation; and
• your future plans.
The statements written by you and your partner can be on ordinary writing paper or a statutory
declaration form may be used. Each statement or statutory declaration must be signed and dated by the
author. For details on who can witness statutory declarations, see page 28.
Evidence of your relationship
There are 4 broad categories of evidence that you need to provide:
• fi nancial aspects;
• the nature of the household;
• social context of the relationship; and
• the nature of your commitment to each other.
All relationships are different, so you should provide as much evidence as you can that you believe will
support your claims.
The lists below are only a guide and are neither all inclusive or exclusive.
You may be asked to provide additional information during processing of your application.Part X – Chapter heading
40 Partner Migration
Financial aspects
Evidence will be required that you and your partner share fi nancial commitments and responsibilities,
including:
• evidence of any joint ownership of real estate or other major assets (for example, cars, appliances)
and any joint liabilities (for example, loans, insurance);
• sharing of fi nances;
• legal commitments that you and your partner have undertaken as a couple;
• evidence that you and your partner have operated joint bank accounts for a reasonable period of
time; or
• sharing of household bills and expenses.
The nature of the household
You will be asked to provide evidence that you and your partner share responsibilities within your
household, including:
• your living arrangements;
• a statement outlining the basis on which responsibility for housework is distributed;
• joint ownership or joint rental of the residence in which you live;
• joint utilities accounts (electricity, gas, telephone);
• joint responsibility for bills for day-to-day living expenses;
• joint responsibility for children; or
• correspondence addressed to both you and your partner at the same address.
Social context of the relationship
How your relationship with your partner is seen by your friends and family will be considered including:
• evidence that you and your partner are generally accepted as a couple socially (for example, joint
invitations, going out together, friends and acquaintances in common);
• the assessment of your friends and acquaintances about the nature of your relationship (see
‘Statutory declarations’ on page 27);
• evidence that you and your partner have declared your relationship to government bodies,
commercial/public institutions or authorities;
• statutory declarations made by your or your partner’s parents, family members, relatives and other
friends;
• joint membership of organisations or groups;
• evidence of joint participation in sporting, cultural or social activities; or
• joint travel.
Note: Providing only statutory declarations from your and your partner’s parents, family members,
relatives and other friends is not normally suffi cient to evidence your relationship.Partner Migration 41
The nature of your commitment to each other
Factors that could assist in evidencing mutual commitment between you and your partner include:
• knowledge of each other’s personal circumstances (for example, background and family situation,
which could be established at interview);
• intention that your relationship will be long-term (for example, the extent to which you have combined
your affairs);
• the terms of your wills; or
• correspondence and itemised phone accounts to show that contact was maintained during any


Etc etc etc.

Ordeal as I said before

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Evidence that your relationship is genuine
When you apply for a Partner visa, you must provide evidence that supports your claims of a genuine and
continuing relationship with your partner.
History of your relationship
You and your partner must each provide a statement regarding the history of your relationship, including:
• how, when and where you fi rst met;
• how your relationship developed;
• when you decided to marry or commence a de facto partner relationship;
• your domestic arrangements – how you support each other fi nancially, physically and emotionally
and when this level of commitment began;
• any periods of separation – when and why the separation occurred, for how long and how you
maintained your relationship during the period of separation; and
• your future plans.
The statements written by you and your partner can be on ordinary writing paper or a statutory
declaration form may be used. Each statement or statutory declaration must be signed and dated by the
author. For details on who can witness statutory declarations, see page 28.
Evidence of your relationship
There are 4 broad categories of evidence that you need to provide:
• fi nancial aspects;
• the nature of the household;
• social context of the relationship; and
• the nature of your commitment to each other.
All relationships are different, so you should provide as much evidence as you can that you believe will
support your claims.
The lists below are only a guide and are neither all inclusive or exclusive.
You may be asked to provide additional information during processing of your application.Part X – Chapter heading
40 Partner Migration
Financial aspects
Evidence will be required that you and your partner share fi nancial commitments and responsibilities,
including:
• evidence of any joint ownership of real estate or other major assets (for example, cars, appliances)
and any joint liabilities (for example, loans, insurance);
• sharing of fi nances;
• legal commitments that you and your partner have undertaken as a couple;
• evidence that you and your partner have operated joint bank accounts for a reasonable period of
time; or
• sharing of household bills and expenses.
The nature of the household
You will be asked to provide evidence that you and your partner share responsibilities within your
household, including:
• your living arrangements;
• a statement outlining the basis on which responsibility for housework is distributed;
• joint ownership or joint rental of the residence in which you live;
• joint utilities accounts (electricity, gas, telephone);
• joint responsibility for bills for day-to-day living expenses;
• joint responsibility for children; or
• correspondence addressed to both you and your partner at the same address.
Social context of the relationship
How your relationship with your partner is seen by your friends and family will be considered including:
• evidence that you and your partner are generally accepted as a couple socially (for example, joint
invitations, going out together, friends and acquaintances in common);
• the assessment of your friends and acquaintances about the nature of your relationship (see
‘Statutory declarations’ on page 27);
• evidence that you and your partner have declared your relationship to government bodies,
commercial/public institutions or authorities;
• statutory declarations made by your or your partner’s parents, family members, relatives and other
friends;
• joint membership of organisations or groups;
• evidence of joint participation in sporting, cultural or social activities; or
• joint travel.
Note: Providing only statutory declarations from your and your partner’s parents, family members,
relatives and other friends is not normally suffi cient to evidence your relationship.Partner Migration 41
The nature of your commitment to each other
Factors that could assist in evidencing mutual commitment between you and your partner include:
• knowledge of each other’s personal circumstances (for example, background and family situation,
which could be established at interview);
• intention that your relationship will be long-term (for example, the extent to which you have combined
your affairs);
• the terms of your wills; or
• correspondence and itemised phone accounts to show that contact was maintained during any


Etc etc etc.

Ordeal as I said before

Kttykat
Thanks KttyKat, I did read go through that from the book list, but what I would specifically like to know is:

Joint utilities accounts - I have a few bills in my name here in Aus, so can I now get this changed so in our joint names, even though we arent just living together yet , plus my partner doesn't have any bills in Dubai, as she is living in Dubai with her family, so all her expenses are paid for.

All I want to know is , before I get engaged in Australia with her, do I open a joint bank account now and change over the bills that I pay in our joint names now as well?

Plus I also read:

• correspondence addressed to both you and your partner at the same address

Is this talking about the bills that will be in our joint account names addressed to me and my partner.

Some bills get emailed to me here in Aus, so can I forward these to her in Dubai via email, or does this specifically need to be posted internationally outside Australia to her by the relevant company?

Cheers


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Thanks KttyKat, I did read go through that from the book list, but what I would specifically like to know is:

Joint utilities accounts - I have a few bills in my name here in Aus, so can I now get this changed so in our joint names, even though we arent just living together yet , plus my partner doesn't have any bills in Dubai, as she is living in Dubai with her family, so all her expenses are paid for. Yes if you can, not all places will let you but usually gas and electricity will, I managed to get a joint account at the commonwealth bank with my husband before we were married

All I want to know is , before I get engaged in Australia with her, do I open a joint bank account now and change over the bills that I pay in our joint names now as well? If you can yes, but it will be harder if she isn't there to do it. Make sure if you have insurance to put her on it, like for car insurance name her as a driver

Plus I also read:

• correspondence addressed to both you and your partner at the same address From friends, family and any business

Is this talking about the bills that will be in our joint account names addressed to me and my partner. Yes and Christmas cards etc

Some bills get emailed to me here in Aus, so can I forward these to her in Dubai via email, or does this specifically need to be posted internationally outside Australia to her by the relevant company? Email is not as good for evidence than date stamped snail mail, don't just keep birthday cards KEEP THE ENVELOPES they came in!

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Hope that helps,

Kttykat
Thanks alot for the information It now all makes sense

I will speak to our bank on Monday and see if I can open a joint bank account without my partner being here, she will also come here in February, but I will get the account open before then.

And when asked for marital status, what do I use for that on any application for a new joint account/bills etc even though we arent engaged yet?

I will also get the account statement mailed to me and to her in Dubai, and I hope that is good.

Maybe I should also get my credit card statement mailed to her to from the bank, but the card is in my name - is that also good enough??

I do her have original passport copy, hopefully that will help.

Can I also get my mobile bill/car insurance/rego bills changed now too - is that a good idea? I don't have any utility bills under my name, I live with my parents and its under their name.

I just put down a deposit for an engagement ring today, and I sure will be keeping a receipt of that and will get her to do the same

And plus, what do you suggest for chat via fb and whatsapp, just screen caps of all the conversations we have been doing since we started, or is there anything in particular I should grab from the chats?

Thanks once again.


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Another clarification :

"completed application form 47SP Application for migration to Australia by a partner and form 40SP Sponsorship for a partner to migrate to Australia (completed by your sponsor)" - So I fill in the 40SP form and my partner fills in the 47SP form, is that right?

Thanks

Edit: Since I will be marrying in Dubai, reading the forms, I think I need the Subclass 309 – Partner (provisional).

Plus the Subclass 309 visa doesnt mention that we both have to be engaged either in Aus or overseas, as long as we are marrying outside Australia.

Can someone please clarify this for me?

Thanks


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Another clarification :

"completed application form 47SP Application for migration to Australia by a partner and form 40SP Sponsorship for a partner to migrate to Australia (completed by your sponsor)" - So I fill in the 40SP form and my partner fills in the 47SP form, is that right? Yes that is right

Thanks

Edit: Since I will be marrying in Dubai, reading the forms, I think I need the Subclass 309 – Partner (provisional). Yes, once you are married it is the 309 visa that you would apply for, as an offshore applicant

Plus the Subclass 309 visa doesnt mention that we both have to be engaged either in Aus or overseas, as long as we are marrying outside Australia. It makes no difference where you get engaged, or even married as long as the marriage if foreign is recognized by Australia as legal

Can someone please clarify this for me?

Thanks
And it looks like you are getting your head around it all from your previous post to this one. I don't think however that you will be able to get a joint account until she gets to Australia.

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