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Old 01-14-2013, 12:57 AM
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Hi CollegeGirl an direct!

The advice we got from my friends was pretty specific for our situation; my partner and I first lived at my student apartment where he was not allowed to be on the rent (due to the fact that it was legally an apartment for one person only) and since February 2012 we've been living with his parents. So as a de facto couple, we had not shared rent or utilities which I thought would kill our case.

My one friend got an official declaration from the student housing organisation for me stating that my apartment had legally not allowed my partner to be on the rent/bills. My other friend (tax lawyer) constructed a legal retroactive rent contract for us and my parents-in-law; so now we have paid and will be paying for living with my inlaws, and have shared rent. This was our achilles heel so at least there are now legal documents to support us in that area.

We had not even thought of either of these things and had already accepted we would not be able to show anything regarding shared living costs. We're happy to pay rent now anyway since I have work and our room feels more like it's truly ours that way!

Hopefully this might help someone else someday!

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Thanks Nelly. Good luck with your application.

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Hi CollegeGirl an direct!

The advice we got from my friends was pretty specific for our situation; my partner and I first lived at my student apartment where he was not allowed to be on the rent (due to the fact that it was legally an apartment for one person only) and since February 2012 we've been living with his parents. So as a de facto couple, we had not shared rent or utilities which I thought would kill our case.

My one friend got an official declaration from the student housing organisation for me stating that my apartment had legally not allowed my partner to be on the rent/bills. My other friend (tax lawyer) constructed a legal retroactive rent contract for us and my parents-in-law; so now we have paid and will be paying for living with my inlaws, and have shared rent. This was our achilles heel so at least there are now legal documents to support us in that area.

We had not even thought of either of these things and had already accepted we would not be able to show anything regarding shared living costs. We're happy to pay rent now anyway since I have work and our room feels more like it's truly ours that way!

Hopefully this might help someone else someday!


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Ahhh Direct,

I must agree you are one cynical puppy (in a good way) Nelly had the right idea, constructive anecdote was all there and no one was harmed in the process… I’m sure if you’re curious of the offender you would PM her.

I’m still chuckling as my associate has made me a new sign for my office door “Glorified Clerk”

Yes, I am a little biased, as a Company Director, I’d hate for anything defamatory to be posted online by an anonymous person about my Company.

At least through sheer coincidence (whilst I clock in some anonymous pro-bono time), I happen to stumble upon this thread, I guess that’s my good karma that I get a heads up to respond accordingly, but who knows how many other threads and forums have the very same topic that I don’t know about.

I’m sure most people on this forum will do the right thing as it doesn’t seem like a forum to start a witch hunt

“It takes a lifetime to build a reputation and only 15 minutes to destroy it.”- Warren Buffett

Let’s hope “Little Miss Grumpy” that I turned away this morning (because I was not willing to work with her bogus documents) is not on this forum to return my favour.

I won’t entertain any further about this topic as protecting the “Evils” is not what I logged on for and I’m sure forum members would much rather read about useful information.

In a nutshell:

Pros = Someone does it for you.
Cons = You have to pay for it.

Conclusion: If you don't want to pay for it, do it yourself.


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Old 01-14-2013, 03:53 AM
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Ahhh Direct,

I must agree you are one cynical puppy (in a good way) Nelly had the right idea, constructive anecdote was all there and no one was harmed in the process… I’m sure if you’re curious of the offender you would PM her.

I’m still chuckling as my associate has made me a new sign for my office door “Glorified Clerk”

Yes, I am a little biased, as a Company Director, I’d hate for anything defamatory to be posted online by an anonymous person about my Company.
I am happy to provide anyone with the names of the two places that turned me off the idea of hiring an agent. However I will always disclose the positives as well, unless someone was a true, full-on conman. I realize they both may have been stand up agents once hired but the selling-themselves-process is what disappointed us so it's different for that matter as well.

I'm a big believer of calling out frauds but I personally would always approach the company themselves first, if no proper explanation or apology would be provided then I may consider posting it publicly as they have already had the chance for damage control when I contacted them first.

It is easy to hurt something or someone online. It takes a minute to type it and it's out there forever. I always think twice before I type - well, usually - and would definitely give the person/agent/agency a chance to correct before I'd put them in that position. That is just my personal stance on it. I agree that frauds and cons should be called out in public - but I also believe that stupid things can happen from anyone (I know I have done stupid sh*t in my life and I'm only 25, I can't imagine my record by the time I hit 40, I'm not perfect!), even professionals, and everyone should be given a chance to correct before getting slammed in public for an error they might regret already.

Just my 2 cents. There is a middle way somewhere between defaming on the spot and letting the bad guys get away with things.

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Oh Dear..... hit a nerve did we? All that free education and look at you now, having to put up with being responsible for all your 'hard earned' for filling out documents. Paradise it may have escaped your attention but you are a 'glorified' clerk, required to take instruction from clients so you can 'practice', not treat them with the contempt which seems a little too close to the surface there. You have nothing to sell but SERVICE.

Your cloak has slipped just a little old thing .... unearthed by a peon no less. Note to self:- Must be more careful to appear less condescending and arrogant in the future. Bugger it... they owe me, I'm a lawyer don't you know?

Remember, it's the OVERCHARGING which allows for pro bono in the first place.

Dismissing Little Miss Grumpy? Great attitude with a prospective client. Feel free to 'advertise'

Your latest missive is a clear indication why I agreed that it was perhaps a good idea to share good and bad experiences amongst ourselves.... (Keeping the bastards honest) so to speak. If you were doing a good job at a reasonable rate you would be less concerned about the 'evils' and perhaps would not have time for trolling. I wonder if we were asking to out a tradesman with a bad attitude whether you would be so defensive or dismissive?

Please don't bother to respond. I have little interest. Over and out.

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Ahhh Direct,

I must agree you are one cynical puppy (in a good way) Nelly had the right idea, constructive anecdote was all there and no one was harmed in the process… I’m sure if you’re curious of the offender you would PM her.

I’m still chuckling as my associate has made me a new sign for my office door “Glorified Clerk”

Yes, I am a little biased, as a Company Director, I’d hate for anything defamatory to be posted online by an anonymous person about my Company.

At least through sheer coincidence (whilst I clock in some anonymous pro-bono time), I happen to stumble upon this thread, I guess that’s my good karma that I get a heads up to respond accordingly, but who knows how many other threads and forums have the very same topic that I don’t know about.

I’m sure most people on this forum will do the right thing as it doesn’t seem like a forum to start a witch hunt

“It takes a lifetime to build a reputation and only 15 minutes to destroy it.”- Warren Buffett

Let’s hope “Little Miss Grumpy” that I turned away this morning (because I was not willing to work with her bogus documents) is not on this forum to return my favour.

I won’t entertain any further about this topic as protecting the “Evils” is not what I logged on for and I’m sure forum members would much rather read about useful information.

In a nutshell:

Pros = Someone does it for you.
Cons = You have to pay for it.

Conclusion: If you don't want to pay for it, do it yourself.


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Old 01-14-2013, 05:57 AM
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I still think that it is better to concentrate on the positive, there are plenty of negative sites out there and that is not the spirit of what we have here. If you have a migration agent that did the right thing by you feel free to post it here. If you had a negative experience then you can say you didn't get what you needed from xyz but leave it at that, we don't need the details.

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I don't really think this question can be answered with any degree of certainty because the decision whether or not to use an agent is going to be different for each and every application. Sure, you might be highly educated, or you might have a 'vanilla' application, but that doesn't necessarily mean your grasp of English is sufficient to understand the legal or technical jargon of DIAC; in these case utilising the services of a good migration agent could very well be the difference.

I considered, and priced, a few agents when I was having trouble with my wife's tourist visa application, but in the end I just did it myself as the only thing I was hoping to get from an agent was confirmation that what I'd given as her "compelling reason to return" was satisfactory. With her migration visa application, I just did it all myself, as there was really nothing out of the ordinary. (Disclaimer: I worked for the oz govt for 10 years prior to moving to Thailand, so am fully au fait with their jargon.)

On the other matter of naming & shaming, while I don't disagree that their are charlatans out their, I think naming & shaming is not appropriate. For a start, if a person's name is mentioned (rather than a company) it would be against the forum rules (13. The posting of defamatory or otherwise illegal comment or material, contravenes our forum policy is not allowed.), as it would leave the forum owners liable.

Before one goes on to name & shame, they should really read this: https://www.efa.org.au/Issues/Censor/defamation.html

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James. I apologise to you or any other member for my suggestion to 'name and shame' shoddy operators. It was more of a colloquialism than an actual suggestion, but seems to have hit a bit of a raw nerve with some (well one). Having said this, I personally would have no hesitation in providing by way of PM, relating the facts as I saw them, and my personal opinion to another member.

I have also demonstrated (before my more recent posts) that I have had a good experience in dealing with a person here who appears helpful and professional and does not hide the fact that he is indeed an agent. I even named him. If another member had suffered a bad experience using the same agent I would be happy to make up my own mind.


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I don't really think this question can be answered with any degree of certainty because the decision whether or not to use an agent is going to be different for each and every application. Sure, you might be highly educated, or you might have a 'vanilla' application, but that doesn't necessarily mean your grasp of English is sufficient to understand the legal or technical jargon of DIAC; in these case utilising the services of a good migration agent could very well be the difference.

I considered, and priced, a few agents when I was having trouble with my wife's tourist visa application, but in the end I just did it myself as the only thing I was hoping to get from an agent was confirmation that what I'd given as her "compelling reason to return" was satisfactory. With her migration visa application, I just did it all myself, as there was really nothing out of the ordinary. (Disclaimer: I worked for the oz govt for 10 years prior to moving to Thailand, so am fully au fait with their jargon.)

On the other matter of naming & shaming, while I don't disagree that their are charlatans out their, I think naming & shaming is not appropriate. For a start, if a person's name is mentioned (rather than a company) it would be against the forum rules (13. The posting of defamatory or otherwise illegal comment or material, contravenes our forum policy is not allowed.), as it would leave the forum owners liable.

Before one goes on to name & shame, they should really read this: https://www.efa.org.au/Issues/Censor/defamation.html


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James. I apologise to you or any other member for my suggestion to 'name and shame' shoddy operators. It was more of a colloquialism than an actual suggestion, but seems to have hit a bit of a raw nerve with some (well one). Having said this, I personally would have no hesitation in providing by way of PM, relating the facts as I saw them, and my personal opinion to another member.

I have also demonstrated (before my more recent posts) that I have had a good experience in dealing with a person here who appears helpful and professional and does not hide the fact that he is indeed an agent. I even named him. If another member had suffered a bad experience using the same agent I would be happy to make up my own mind.
No need to apologise at all! I was just gently pointing out that it wasn't such a good idea.

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I would like to apologise to Paradise. I was rude and dismissive. Whilst I still agree with most of what I said, I was rude. No need for that.

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