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Old 01-03-2013, 12:30 PM
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Pro,s and Cons Agency or not

So whats the pro,s and cons of submitting your own application oppose to using a Agency, I notice some people do ask if its better to use an agency rather than doing everything themselves Whats your views and experiences on this, do you regret NOT using an agency, or do you regret using an agency?

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Old 01-03-2013, 03:40 PM
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So whats the pro,s and cons of submitting your own application oppose to using a Agency, I notice some people do ask if its better to use an agency rather than doing everything themselves Whats your views and experiences on this, do you regret NOT using an agency, or do you regret using an agency?

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IMHO it depends on your level of education (you really need good English to understand the obscurely worded questions from immigration) and research of the process. My husband has a master of science in research and found out all he could about the process and is familiar with Australian bureaucratic process so in our case we did it all ourselves and are glad we did. There were bits and pieces that we were still finding out after we had submitted, like you can still get married offshore on a PMV300 we had originally thought you had to marry in Australia and the 6 week expiry on the statutory declaration 888 forms if you apply onshore that doesn't apply if you apply offshore. As Mark Northam says the rules are fluid and change rapidly so you need to keep up to date with what is going on. That said I have seen on other forums where some migration agents clearly aren't keeping up with the rules and giving out bad advice.

If you use a migration agent I would suggest that you don't just wash your hands of the process because if they stuff it up you are the ones who suffer. Owning the process is the only way you can be really certain it is done right and if it is wrong the only ones you can blame is yourselves.

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IT occurs to me that if your application is what a normal person might consider normal... Do it yourself. Just take your time and study the material. You don't have to be a 'rocket scientist'. Unless you application is complicated or obscure, the amount of money charged by an agent is obscene when you consider that YOU have to do all the work in order to present this information to the agent.
They would seem to be playing on the fears we have. Many are glorified clerks who took a couple of weekend courses to become accredited. I do not mean to be disrespectful to agents.... just my two bobs worth.
Why not read everything you can here at Australiaforum and in the booklets provided by the Dept of Immigration. IF you are still insecure, get some recommendations from here for an agent, have an online or personal consultation (on the basis that it will make part of the quoted price if you proceed) and further decide from that point.


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It seems to me That there is so much information available online you're best to save your money for the application fees.


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There were bits and pieces that we were still finding out after we had submitted, like you can still get married offshore on a PMV300 we had originally thought you had to marry in Australia and the 6 week expiry on the statutory declaration 888 forms if you apply onshore that doesn't apply if you apply offshore.
There you go straight over the top of my head lol so if i applied off shore i can get married outside of Australia or do i need to get married inside Australia within the 9 months of entering for the first time.
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As Mark Northam says the rules are fluid and change rapidly so you need to keep up to date with what is going on. That said I have seen on other forums where some migration agents clearly aren't keeping up with the rules and giving out bad advice.
Just love Mark to bits bless him he really is a help on this forum, wish i had known of him before lol. I have an agent and a good agency but they seem slow in coming forward with information, i like to be cc,d on emails they send to the CO and i like to be forwarded the responce from my CO after all i am paying bloody good money for the service.

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If you use a migration agent I would suggest that you don't just wash your hands of the process because if they stuff it up you are the ones who suffer. Owning the process is the only way you can be really certain it is done right and if it is wrong the only ones you can blame is yourselves.

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Hmm i emailed my agency 3 times in the last 10 days to find out information and still no answer, so bloody fustrating, i have being dealing with the agency for the last 18 months oh yes 18 months and it was May when they decided to submit my application, when i call them to confirm or just to ask questions i feel like im intruding on there work time, and usually i get sorry there in a meeting they will call you back, never have. I wish i had met all you guys previously and tried to apply myself if not i would have certainly used Mark.

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Me and my fiance sent in our application two weeks ago,and she flies back to Sydney is three weeks with an exact duplicate of our application...and if we run into any issues we will definately be using Northam associates. I actually want my fiance to take a drive out to his offices and have them take a look at our app and review it just in case.I feel pretty confident about it,but having someone who is certified in this field and that's what they specialize in give the " I think your app will be fine" will take a load off my shoulders for sure.

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There you go straight over the top of my head lol so if i applied off shore i can get married outside of Australia or do i need to get married inside Australia within the 9 months of entering for the first time.
If someone applies for the Prospective Marriage Visa (PMV, subclass 300) they have to include a letter from a marriage celebrant, and, if they are marrying in Australia, something called an NOIM (Notice of Intended Marriage).

The Partner Migration Booklet says:

"Such evidence must be a signed and dated letter (on letterhead) from an authorised marriage celebrant who will conduct your wedding ceremony. The letter must include the place and date (or date range) on which the planned marriage ceremony may take place. If you plan to marry in Australia, the celebrant must confirm that a Notice of Intended Marriage (NOIM) for you and your fiancÚ(e) has been lodged with them."

Notice the "IF you plan to marry in Australia." A lot of people don't catch that, and think they must, in fact, marry in Australia. The next page of the booklet includes:

"If you are granted a Prospective Marriage visa, your marriage can take place either in or outside Australia, but you must have entered Australia at least once on the Prospective Marriage visa before the marriage
takes place. In addition, your marriage must occur within the 9-month validity period of your Prospective Marriage visa."

In other words, you can get married wherever you like, as long as 1) you validate your PMV by entering Australia, and 2) you marry within nine months.

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Don't want to be negative but Agents are in a 'service' industry and if they are not providing you with the service you feel you are paying for, this may be the place to name and shame them but naming and relating your experiences..... Good and bad.


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If someone applies for the Prospective Marriage Visa (PMV, subclass 300) they have to include a letter from a marriage celebrant, and, if they are marrying in Australia, something called an NOIM (Notice of Intended Marriage).

The Partner Migration Booklet says:

"Such evidence must be a signed and dated letter (on letterhead) from an authorised marriage celebrant who will conduct your wedding ceremony. The letter must include the place and date (or date range) on which the planned marriage ceremony may take place. If you plan to marry in Australia, the celebrant must confirm that a Notice of Intended Marriage (NOIM) for you and your fiancé(e) has been lodged with them."

Notice the "IF you plan to marry in Australia." A lot of people don't catch that, and think they must, in fact, marry in Australia. The next page of the booklet includes:

"If you are granted a Prospective Marriage visa, your marriage can take place either in or outside Australia, but you must have entered Australia at least once on the Prospective Marriage visa before the marriage
takes place. In addition, your marriage must occur within the 9-month validity period of your Prospective Marriage visa."

In other words, you can get married wherever you like, as long as 1) you validate your PMV by entering Australia, and 2) you marry within nine months.
Yes CollegeGirl, this is exactly what I mean. We only realized this fact after we were married, we had wrongly assumed that the 300 PMV was only any good for marriage in Australia due to the way it is worded. Later we worked out that it could have been an option for us, as you can travel to Australia once granted to activate it and then leave to marry. We instead got married in the USA and just went straight for the partner visa 309. We have been planning our move for sometime, had the 8 cats vaccinated for rabies back in April 2012 and should have applied for the PMV back then. I am still glad that in our case we didn't use a migration agent as we are still happy with our approach and saved much needed money, that said I can see how a good one may help, especially for difficult cases.

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Good point Kttykat. I was not suggesting that all agents were bad.

Trying to find a good one is the key and best done (I think) by recommendation which is why I suggested that if anyone has good things to say about an individual (like Mark..wink, wink,) or have had bad experiences we should be happy to nominate those folks.


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