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Old 01-06-2013, 12:58 PM
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Does anyone know the answer to this

I was recently informed ( carnt remember who it was) that going through an agency gives you a better chance of being accepted, not because they can windle there way through but just because.... if this is true has it something to do with the fact that the agency has more respect from the CO/DIAC because its a professional body. Could it be they know that the agency ensures all forms and applications are in order before there submitted. This seems a bit unfair for those who dont wish to spend a fortune on an agency, or who cannot afford an agency.
Also a second query which is a bit worrying for me is it true that the Form 80 adds months onto your waiting time of a PMV being processed, if so WHY?

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Not true about the agency. They could be worst. Many regret engaging them. Some applications were even rejected becoz of them. My 2 cents.


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Old 01-06-2013, 01:31 PM
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Not true about the agency. They could be worst. Many regret engaging them. Some applications were even rejected becoz of them. My 2 cents.
WTH people had there visa,s rejected because of the agency why?
Thanks for the info OMG i didnt know this.

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I think it is a generalisation but yes I would say people do better if they engage a good and reputable agency. The reason being is that they know all of the pit falls and can make sure that you fill the form in completely and ensure that you present your evidence in the most favourable way (as they have done it hundreds of times hopefully and know the rules and regulations back to front like Mark has demonstrated) and they ensure that you remove the emotion and present the application in the best light possible to get a positive outcome.

How many people have left stuff out, presented it in a way that cast doubt on their situation, put errors into the application etc. This is why you pay them the big bucks...cos they know what you do and they will coach you through it.

In the end they have no more influence over DIAC than you or I so if you are bad applicants, no gun agent will make the outcome any different.

I think the comment above will be aimed at agents that are not worth their salt...inexperienced and don't know their job.

As for from 80...if you fill it is AND it is sent off to be processed it goes to ASIO in Australia and YES their backlog is huge and they DO NOT MARCH TO ANYONES DRUM...so it is too bad so sad in terms of how long it takes with them if you get your form 80 referred. I have seen it is approx 6 months min...BUT you might be off the hook as it isn't always referred. Another thing to get your agent fill in lady to ask the CO...has our form 80 been referred to ASIO and when?

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As for from 80...if you fill it is AND it is sent off to be processed it goes to ASIO in Australia and YES their backlog is huge and they DO NOT MARCH TO ANYONES DRUM...so it is too bad so sad in terms of how long it takes with them if you get your form 80 referred. I have seen it is approx 6 months min...BUT you might be off the hook as it isn't always referred. Another thing to get your agent fill in lady to ask the CO...has our form 80 been referred to ASIO and when?
What !!!!! the form 80 has to be passed on to some else besides the CO i didnt know this!!!!! so the agency pass it on to the CO in Berlin and they have to pass it onto the ASIO?

My agency have some questions to answer they told me nothing at all.
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I think it is a generalisation but yes I would say people do better if they engage a good and reputable agency. The reason being is that they know all of the pit falls and can make sure that you fill the form in completely and ensure that you present your evidence in the most favourable way (as they have done it hundreds of times hopefully and know the rules and regulations back to front like Mark has demonstrated) and they ensure that you remove the emotion and present the application in the best light possible to get a positive outcome.

How many people have left stuff out, presented it in a way that cast doubt on their situation, put errors into the application etc. This is why you pay them the big bucks...cos they know what you do and they will coach you through it.

In the end they have no more influence over DIAC than you or I so if you are bad applicants, no gun agent will make the outcome any different.

I think the comment above will be aimed at agents that are not worth their salt...inexperienced and don't know their job.

As for from 80...if you fill it is AND it is sent off to be processed it goes to ASIO in Australia and YES their backlog is huge and they DO NOT MARCH TO ANYONES DRUM...so it is too bad so sad in terms of how long it takes with them if you get your form 80 referred. I have seen it is approx 6 months min...BUT you might be off the hook as it isn't always referred. Another thing to get your agent fill in lady to ask the CO...has our form 80 been referred to ASIO and when?

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I was recently informed ( carnt remember who it was) that going through an agency gives you a better chance of being accepted, not because they can windle there way through but just because.... if this is true has it something to do with the fact that the agency has more respect from the CO/DIAC because its a professional body. Could it be they know that the agency ensures all forms and applications are in order before there submitted. This seems a bit unfair for those who dont wish to spend a fortune on an agency, or who cannot afford an agency.
Also a second query which is a bit worrying for me is it true that the Form 80 adds months onto your waiting time of a PMV being processed, if so WHY?

Thanks All
Louise
In my opinion, it's more about the application you submit than who does it - yourself or an agent. We did it ourself (with a Form 80) and had the first part of the 820/801 approved in under two months.

I think if you take the time to ensure you have completed all the forms correctly and added every bit of info they need then you'll be fine. We worked on ours slowly over three months to ensure we had everything (could have done it quicker but wanted it to be right and not get too stressed!)

I rang DIAC a few times too (the hold time was long) but they were really helpful with some of the basic questions we had.

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I think it is a generalisation but yes I would say people do better if they engage a good and reputable agency. The reason being is that they know all of the pit falls and can make sure that you fill the form in completely and ensure that you present your evidence in the most favourable way (as they have done it hundreds of times hopefully and know the rules and regulations back to front like Mark has demonstrated) and they ensure that you remove the emotion and present the application in the best light possible to get a positive outcome.
I had contacted the Agency im using way back in 2011 october and after gathering the documentation (and i must say i had already being preparing) and sending it off in December they submitted it in MAY 2012, dont know why it took so long for them to submit the file, in January they confirmed that the aplication was in order and they didnt see any fault with it, still didnt stop them submitting my application 5 months later.

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How many people have left stuff out, presented it in a way that cast doubt on their situation, put errors into the application etc. This is why you pay them the big bucks...cos they know what you do and they will coach you through it.
Oh i paid big bucks believe me we paid $6,000 for the agency to deal with my application, oh i wish i had known Mark before god i could kick myself i really could.

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In the end they have no more influence over DIAC than you or I so if you are bad applicants, no gun agent will make the outcome any different.

I think the comment above will be aimed at agents that are not worth their salt...inexperienced and don't know their job.
hmm im begining to wonder, i think sometimes a large agency like i employed have so much work they tend to forget people, its only after a phone call they remember who you are lol as in my case.

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As for from 80...if you fill it is AND it is sent off to be processed it goes to ASIO in Australia and YES their backlog is huge and they DO NOT MARCH TO ANYONES DRUM...so it is too bad so sad in terms of how long it takes with them if you get your form 80 referred. I have seen it is approx 6 months min...BUT you might be off the hook as it isn't always referred. Another thing to get your agent fill in lady to ask the CO...has our form 80 been referred to ASIO and when?
Now this pisses me off big time because my agency never once said listen dont expect a reply quickly because the ASIO have to look into the form 80 you submited and this is out of the hands of the CO, they never once informed me of anything, they never said yes Louise your form 80 has to go to the ASIO so please be patient because they have a back log of applications, Nothing they said to me, i dont even know what stage my visa application is at anymore, saying this i never knew what stage it was at at any time. I still carnt understand why i had to fill out this form as Mark did say that from the uk ( and i presume this means the passport ) they dont require it, i have an english passport living in Malta, anyhow lets see what the email brings i sent the agency yesterday, it was hard, firm and i showed my disaproval of the way they are handling this, all i want is to be informed of any movement, at least i will know something.

Sorry im ranting lol thanks for your comments they help me allot.
Louise

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Hi All -

A few thoughts (coming from an agent, talking about agents, so factor that in as you'd like):

* Re: Form 80 and ETA countries for partner visas, it's not required generally, but the case officer can request it and they often do. Hard to predict if/when they will. Also, not all Form 80's are sent to ASIO from what I know, but some are when an ASIO security check is done. So requesting a Form 80 does not necessarily mean months of delay on an ASIO deep background check, but again, hard to predict.

Re: $6,000 for a PMV application, it's way, way above the average rate as listed on the MARA site. Have never heard of a price like that for PMV or even Partner visa application. Out of line, in my opinion. And no excuse at all for 5 month delay in lodging - again, out of line in my opinion.

Re: Using agents - it's all about the application, not the agent. The best benefit an agent can bring to a case is their knowledge of regulations/policy/law and their experience. By the same token, lack of knowledge or outdated knowledge can harm a case just as much as current knowledge can help a case. The key thing to look for is how much CURRENT knowledge an agent has about the way things are being done now. I have seen no evidence that DIAC's handling of cases is influenced in any way by highly successful agents. However, I have heard more than a few stories about agents who botch cases bringing suspicion upon their other clients. Most recently, a veteran Melbourne agent was raided by DIAC in regards to illegitimate partner visa applications - here's the link:


Immigration closes in on alleged Melbourne marriage scheme scam - DIAC Online Newsroom

Especially this:

“It’s too early to speculate on the outcome of spouse visa applications that have been lodged, but all visa applications connected to this operation face significant scrutiny,” the spokesman said.

Sure wouldn't want to be this guy's client, as DIAC has the power to cancel PR visas obtained with fraudulent info, and they are going to go over every visa application this agent lodged for (?) years with a microscope. I've seen the same thing happen for agents who didn't lodge student visas properly.

The moral of the story is that if an Agent screws up badly enough, is sloppy enough, or just breaks the rules, the damage can go far beyond the affected applications and can bring suspicion on his/her other applications merely by association with that agent.

An agent is only as good (or bad) as his or her current knowledge and business practices - that's where the value lies in an agent, but in the end, it's got to show up on the application and be reflected in the way the application, submission letters/documents, etc are prepared and lodged.

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In my opinion, it's more about the application you submit than who does it - yourself or an agent. We did it ourself (with a Form 80) and had the first part of the 820/801 approved in under two months.
I went through an agency because i thought that things would be smoother for me and Kevin, unfortunately i still did all the running around and chasing departments etc lol. I had dealings with this agency way back in 2011 and my application was submitted in 2012 May it took them months to go through all the paper work and send it off.

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I think if you take the time to ensure you have completed all the forms correctly and added every bit of info they need then you'll be fine. We worked on ours slowly over three months to ensure we had everything (could have done it quicker but wanted it to be right and not get too stressed!)

I rang DIAC a few times too (the hold time was long) but they were really helpful with some of the basic questions we had.

Good luck!
It took me about 8 months to gather all the info they required, once i had all the paper work in order i contacted the agency and employed them to work on my application, they approved everything in Jan 2012 but didn't submit the application until May which still puzzles me as to why it took so long after they had confirmed all the forms were filled out correctly etc. I cannot ring the DIAC because I'm going through an agency and i don't want to hackle there backs so to speak. Its more stressful now waiting than it was gathering the information. Sooooo frustrating for us all

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