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Old 03-17-2009, 09:21 AM
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De-facto visa questions

We have been gathering information quietly therefore I have been quiet - but now it is getting closer.. the only thing we are really waiting for, apart from that I need to take some passport photos etc. are the 888 forms.

I have two questions really (there will probably be 25 extra from my nervous ranting).

1. 888 forms are going to be signed by my partners mother (Australian), partners brother (Australian) and my best friend that we hang out with a lot over here (European). I know they want Australian therefore 2 of them but also my friend as she knows us very well. What are you guys experiences with this?

2. Proof of our relationship and copies or originals of documents. It says in the information they do not want originals - but can you send them anyway if you do not require them back? Below is the proof we have gathered, as you can see some of these are originals (that as I said I don't want back).

- Photos
- Flight Intineries partner visiting me when we both lived in Australia (copy)
- Tenancy agreement, receipts paying bond and rent, letter re bond (original)
- Bank statements (original)
- Christmas card from my auntie .. this is in Swedish though.. and how do they know it is not fake?! (original of course)
- Itineries leaving NZ, travelling to Australia together then on to Asia and Europe (copies)
- wedding invitation (incl envelope woohooo I am so organised) (original)
- Electricity bills, Gas bills and bank statements in both our names from over here (original)
- Itineries from when we have travelled whilst here in Europe (copies)

What do you guys think about this? Some people I know have a lot more but this is all we have. We used to talk for hours and hours when we where apart but on pay as you go phones so we have no records. Our tenancy agreements etc dates back from 2007 though so we can prove we have lived together for almost 1,5 years (gone out 2,5).

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Old 03-17-2009, 11:28 AM
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1. For the 888 forms I had my mum and sister do them for me. Just ask them to write honestly as possible. Having the European friend is probably not necessary, but I can't see how it would hurt your application.

2. Your evidence looks good. So your bank accounts, tenancy agreements and utilities are in both of your names? If so, you present a strong case and if everything is in order, you should have a good chance of success.

They could ask for letters/emails you sent each for the time you spent apart if it is a significant amount of time. If you don't have them, what can you do. Your other evidence should present a strong case.

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Old 03-17-2009, 12:12 PM
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Yeah it is in both our names thank god )
So hopefully we should be good! I will write a note about the time we spend apart and not being able to show them any records.
What do you think about sending of originals? Is that ok with them?
The bills, bank statements etc. I can order new ones so it is not a problem for me. The contract for the flat I will try to get verified but who can do that..? Can you just show up to someone (solicitor etc) and ask them to verify a copy? Or?

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Old 03-17-2009, 03:29 PM
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Have a read of the "applying for this visa " section or do it again if already done once Beatrice, use the Checklist - it needs to be attached to the application and if nothing else it will help tpo soothe the nerves.

Do not bother providing information the application does not call for as they do not want a heap of superfluos stuff crowding what they have asked for.

Rather than send in originals of stuff that you think you may never need again, sending in certified copies will do a number of things for you.
1. You can create a duplicate application with all extra stuff in a well organised folder and so then if you get asked re a query either before or at an interview you have a reference folder.
2. If something does go wrong, not that it should seeing as you'll have 2.5 years together [should be a breeze], but just in case you still have documents in case you need to resubmit.
3. The preparation of an immigration application is something of a milestone in your life and so having your copy of an application can be something of a memento - burn it after 10 years or whatever if you so desire.

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Hi Beatrice,

Everything you have looks good. But I wouldn't bother sending in originals unless your case officer has asked for them. I just got my de-facto approved and it was from uploaded scanned colour documents. Colour scans are very important.

I've just passed my de-facto verifications and that was from submitted a buch of stuff last night. I initially only had my banking statements and letters from friends & landlord. After my CO requested for more proof, I sent in my trip stuff (tickets, photos), my home insurance with dual names on the policy, my insurance plan listing my partner as my beneficiary, receipts for wedding rings & ring authenticity certificate, and email from my marriage commissioner for our upcoming marriage & payment proof.

I think what did it was the ring receipt, home insurance policy, and us both listing each other as beneficiaries to each other's life insurance plans since 2 years ago.

In regards to your certified copies, the website has a section on how properly verify copies. Again, I've never had a problem with scanning my originals in colour and submitting it online. Therefore, I don't have any personal experience with the verified copy process. Submit the basics, and once you get a CO, he or she will let you know if you need to provide additional info in order to proceed with your application.

I hope this helps!

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Old 03-18-2009, 12:47 AM
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You've got me confused sg!
476 Vs defacto verification!

Or are you applying to come in on a 476 amd have a defacto as a secondary applicant?

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Yes. My defacto is my secondary applicant; he is also my common law spouse and now fiance. Sorry for the confusion.

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Nevermind what language the postcard, emails, and other letters are in they aren't interested in the context of letters or conversations
And I didn't send in any postcards etc
All that my wife and I sent in was our internet conversations via MSN Messenger, and even then we had to edit it dramatically because there was an extremely large amount of context to go through.

2 Stat decs: I didn't send any stat decs from my Swedish family and friends just two from Australians living in Australia! Immigration said they would no accept any form 888 signed by a non Australian resident or citizen
They need to be signed by justice of the peace to be reconised.

Immigration in Sydney told us to gather as many as possible but the embassy in Berlin said they only needed two, we had 12 to send in! It all depends on the embassy that you are going through, we recon mend that you contact the embassy and ask them how many they want you to send in.

Our case worker DID NOT accept that we scanned in documents and sent it in through email!
We had to beg and plead to at least send a fax since it would have otherwise delayed our process with at least five more days since this were a document that had to be sent from Australia! But again your case worker maybe different, ring and ask if emails will be accepted by your case worker

You can see in my thread what proof our case worker needed, Berlin embassy didnt really ask for too much information, they said to us that more information usually leads to a longer process time, but again it all depends on the emabssy you go through. We were told by the immigration call center in Sydney that it would take 6 months for our application to be processed, but then when we rung the Berlin Embassy we were told that it could take as little as 4 weeks.

If you want to prove that your relationship is reconised by family and friends (that are not of Australian citizenship or resident) as true and genuine make sure that you have photos of you and your partner together with friends and family, that will enough evidence that your relationship is genuine and recognised by others.

Also make sure that all official documents from your partner are certified by a Justice of the Peace or Immigration will not accept them, the only documents that DO NOT need to certified are phone bills, letters, emails, or basically anything that does not have to do with identifying your partner.

If you have anymore questions please dont hessitate to ask, my wife and I hope this information is helpful to you.

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