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The SC 300 (subclass 300 visa) IS the Prospective Marriage Visa. They are the same thing. For this visa, you WILL have to prove both that you have met (make sure you take photos!!!) and that you've been in a relationship for a year, but you will NOT have to prove that you've lived together for a year. That's the primary difference, and the reason it seems better suited to your circumstances.
Gotcha, yeah I just looked it up, and you are correct. I did not realize before when I was researching it that the living together thing was not a requirement. So the best thing to do is to do as you suggest, go ahead and meet, take photos, have witnesses and go from there. I do have receipts from presents I have bought her and she also has receipts for things she has gotten me over the past year so we do have some proof that we have been in a committed relationship to an extent. The next step is to meet and go from there. Thanks


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The SC 300 (subclass 300 visa) IS the Prospective Marriage Visa. They are the same thing. For this visa, you WILL have to prove both that you have met (make sure you take photos!!!) and that you've been in a relationship for a year, but you will NOT have to prove that you've lived together for a year. That's the primary difference, and the reason it seems better suited to your circumstances.
As far as I know, you don't have to prove that you have been in a relationship for a year for the PMV but you must have met in person, this is to prevent arranged marriages. You don't have to have lived together at all for a PMV as many people won't until after they are married. The more relationship evidence you have the easier the application will be for the PMV but it is not as essential as it is for the partner visas.

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The prospective marriage visa is the SC 300, unfortunately the application used the 47SP doesn't make it clear about the differences, they use the same form for a partner application and for a prospective marriage application, so it makes it sound like you need all that evidence for the prospective marriage like you have already been married for a year. The expectations from immigration are much less for the PMV than for the partner visas. Even if you are married like we are the required evidence is over the top. We submitted over 7 pounds of forms and evidence for our application!

Good luck anyway, I hope it all works out for you

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7 pounds WOW, we have some work to do lol. And yeah that is what was confusing me with the prospective marriage thing, it all sounded the same as the other. It is not very well written and to confusing. Thanks for the well wishes, I know it won't be an easy process but if we are really meant to be together than it is best not to give up. Hopefully it will all work out for us


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As far as I know, you don't have to prove that you have been in a relationship for a year for the PMV but you must have met in person, this is to prevent arranged marriages. You don't have to have lived together at all for a PMV as many people won't until after they are married. The more relationship evidence you have the easier the application will be for the PMV but it is not as essential as it is for the partner visas.

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Oops, you're right, I meant to say you have to prove you're in a relationship. I had an extraneous "for a year" in there. I'll fix it. But I definitely was not saying you have to have lived together for a PMV - I was saying that that was the primary difference - that you DON'T have to live together for that. We'd be screwed if you did.

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Gotcha, yeah I just looked it up, and you are correct. I did not realize before when I was researching it that the living together thing was not a requirement. So the best thing to do is to do as you suggest, go ahead and meet, take photos, have witnesses and go from there. I do have receipts from presents I have bought her and she also has receipts for things she has gotten me over the past year so we do have some proof that we have been in a committed relationship to an extent. The next step is to meet and go from there. Thanks
BTW immigration won't start counting time together until AFTER you have met in person! They don't consider being online together as meeting for relationship purposes, that is IMHO from what I have read.

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BTW immigration won't start counting time together until AFTER you have met in person! They don't consider being online together as meeting for relationship purposes, that is IMHO from what I have read.

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Yeah I have noticed that when reading up on everything, that over the internet and Skype and phone calls will not count until we have met physically. We could fudge it and say we met when she came here to the US about 2 years ago, but that is a risk best not taken, if it was found out we lied then that would put the brakes on everything and we are trying to keep it as legal as possible so as not to have any complications. It is a pain in the butt, but will pay off in the long run I think.


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Yeah I have noticed that when reading up on everything, that over the internet and Skype and phone calls will not count until we have met physically. We could fudge it and say we met when she came here to the US about 2 years ago, but that is a risk best not taken, if it was found out we lied then that would put the brakes on everything and we are trying to keep it as legal as possible so as not to have any complications. It is a pain in the butt, but will pay off in the long run I think.
Yeah, DON'T lie to immigration, anyway meeting 2 years ago won't do much for your application if you hadn't been together since and if you said you did and you didn't then that lie could wreck your chances altogether down the road.

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Yeah, DON'T lie to immigration, anyway meeting 2 years ago won't do much for your application if you hadn't been together since and if you said you did and you didn't then that lie could wreck your chances altogether down the road.

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Yeah, we are not willing to take that chance. Best to be open and honest from what I know about any Immigration organization. Had a friend that lied to Immigrations to get his fiane here from Korea who he was with for 9 months physically, and because of that one lie he can't even marry her now and she is barred entry. All he can do now is go over there and be her which is what he is going to do once he gets out of the Military. Surprisingly they have maintained a relationship for 5 years like this and he will soon be out of the military and on his way over there in about 5 more months. But the fact that they ruined the chance of being happy in the US is a great reminder not to lie to immigrations of any country.


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Yes I would just like to second your time together online will not count to immigration - we are a couple who met online and we consider our anniversary date to be basically before the date that immigration starts acknowledging our relationship (we started talking in September 2010, immigration does not start counting until we met in December 2010, even though we picked 8 October 2010 as our anniversary date).

And just realistically, even apart from the "lying" part, you have to remember that if you two met two years ago in person immigration will want to know why you haven't met since... one small story would start a whole epic fairytale that they will see through eventually no matter what. You have to see it as one chance, and you don't want to waste that one chance not being honest and wondering what would have happened if you'd been straightforward.

Try to spend as much time together as you can for now for the same reason - you don't want to apply for the 300 subclass only to get rejected and wonder how much better you would have been off if you'd just waited a bit longer and seen each other.

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Yes I would just like to second your time together online will not count to immigration - we are a couple who met online and we consider our anniversary date to be basically before the date that immigration starts acknowledging our relationship (we started talking in September 2010, immigration does not start counting until we met in December 2010, even though we picked 8 October 2010 as our anniversary date).

And just realistically, even apart from the "lying" part, you have to remember that if you two met two years ago in person immigration will want to know why you haven't met since... one small story would start a whole epic fairytale that they will see through eventually no matter what. You have to see it as one chance, and you don't want to waste that one chance not being honest and wondering what would have happened if you'd been straightforward.

Try to spend as much time together as you can for now for the same reason - you don't want to apply for the 300 subclass only to get rejected and wonder how much better you would have been off if you'd just waited a bit longer and seen each other.

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My thoughts exactly, we don't want to blow this one and only chance for something as stupid as a lie. We will always count our anniversary as Oct 2011, but we realize that immigration will not care about that date at all. It is unfortunate that we have not been able to meet but with my back to back deployments it was just an impossible scenario at the time. Now that I am retired we will be meeting soon. As I said in an earlier post on here we were supposed to meet in Thailand, but 2 weeks before the date I had to deploy, it was crushing. So all we can do now is try to spend as much time together to satisfy the needs of immigration.


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