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Old 02-07-2013, 07:47 PM
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Hello... Portugal to AUS

Hello everyone.

Ricardo here, glad to join this community, and in a nearby future, embrace Australia as well.
I'm portuguese, but i've obtained australian citizenship by descend from my dad, however I've never been in Australia before. I took my australian passport last December.
I'm now preparing to go to Sydney with my girlfriend in the next few months, however her visa his a issue.
I would like her to apply for a Partner Visa offshore but that will take a long time I suppose, and we want to as soon as possible.
Anyway, she wants to study English so we thought in a student visa and then apply onshore for a Partner Visa 820/801 (de facto relationship).

Questions:
1. Can she go as a tourist (if so, witch tourist visa?! e-visitor?), then apply for a student visa there (she goes already with the inscription done in a school in sydney), and then apply for Partner visa onshore? Or is it better to go as a student since the beginning and then apply for a Partner visa 820/801?

2. If she goes as a tourist, does she need to buy a go and return flight, although the fact that she will not be using it because she will stay for studding (with student visa)? I've heard both answers by now (in madrid they said yes!), so should it be better to buy the return ticket anyway, just in case? (waste of money :/)

3. If she apply for a 309/100 (offshore), how long do it take her to get a Temporary partner visa? (note to myself, I will try to find out here in the forum and post it, lol)

Thank you all in advance.

Ricardo


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hello ricardo I have moved this to visa and immigration you will have a better response here
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Hello everyone.

Ricardo here, glad to join this community, and in a nearby future, embrace Australia as well.
I'm portuguese, but i've obtained australian citizenship by descend from my dad, however I've never been in Australia before. I took my australian passport last December.
I'm now preparing to go to Sydney with my girlfriend in the next few months, however her visa his a issue.
I would like her to apply for a Partner Visa offshore but that will take a long time I suppose, and we want to as soon as possible.
Anyway, she wants to study English so we thought in a student visa and then apply onshore for a Partner Visa 820/801 (de facto relationship).

Questions:
1. Can she go as a tourist (if so, witch tourist visa?! e-visitor?), then apply for a student visa there (she goes already with the inscription done in a school in sydney), and then apply for Partner visa onshore? Or is it better to go as a student since the beginning and then apply for a Partner visa 820/801?

2. If she goes as a tourist, does she need to buy a go and return flight, although the fact that she will not be using it because she will stay for studding (with student visa)? I've heard both answers by now (in madrid they said yes!), so should it be better to buy the return ticket anyway, just in case? (waste of money :/)

3. If she apply for a 309/100 (offshore), how long do it take her to get a Temporary partner visa? (note to myself, I will try to find out here in the forum and post it, lol)

Thank you all in advance.

Ricardo
I think you should really study the requirements of the 820 partner visa in a little more detail. There are financial requirements that you must meet as a sponsor and if you haven't had a job in Australia that can complicate matters. You also need two form 888 statutory declarations from Australian citizens who know about your relationship and are willing to sign a form to that effect. The fee is close to $4000 that you need to pay up front for the 820 application. I don't know how much you have researched the requirements yet. As for the time it take to get a partner visa, that is a huge variable. For the 309 it is usually at least 5 months if you are lucky, there have been some exceptions to that and at the other end of the scale it can take well over a year or more.

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Old 02-08-2013, 10:02 AM
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Thanks Louiseb

I recomended this user to register on the forum and post his doubts. I was sure that many of you would have wise words to help him

Thank you!

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Hello everyone.

Ricardo here, glad to join this community, and in a nearby future, embrace Australia as well.
I'm portuguese, but i've obtained australian citizenship by descend from my dad, however I've never been in Australia before. I took my australian passport last December.
I'm now preparing to go to Sydney with my girlfriend in the next few months, however her visa his a issue.
I would like her to apply for a Partner Visa offshore but that will take a long time I suppose, and we want to as soon as possible.
Anyway, she wants to study English so we thought in a student visa and then apply onshore for a Partner Visa 820/801 (de facto relationship).

Questions:
1. Can she go as a tourist (if so, witch tourist visa?! e-visitor?), then apply for a student visa there (she goes already with the inscription done in a school in sydney), and then apply for Partner visa onshore? Or is it better to go as a student since the beginning and then apply for a Partner visa 820/801?

2. If she goes as a tourist, does she need to buy a go and return flight, although the fact that she will not be using it because she will stay for studding (with student visa)? I've heard both answers by now (in madrid they said yes!), so should it be better to buy the return ticket anyway, just in case? (waste of money :/)

3. If she apply for a 309/100 (offshore), how long do it take her to get a Temporary partner visa? (note to myself, I will try to find out here in the forum and post it, lol)

Thank you all in advance.

Ricardo

I have already given you my opinion

I would go with the partner visa itīs worth the wait and besides that jumping form visa to visa might make things a bit complicated for you girlfriend.
And Immigration wants genuine "tourist" "students".
I am sure that others on this forum will be able to assist you more than me.

Keep in touch

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Return tickets often don't cost a great deal more than a one way ticket. I found out the hard way that travel insurance doesn't work without a return ticket either, they were willing to sell me travel insurance but when I looked at the fine print it would have only covered me for the flight, not my stay in Australia!

With a tourist visa they expect her to leave again and if she can't prove that she can/will when she arrives at the border then they may make her leave then and there.

BTW there is a 12 month living together requirement for the de facto visa application, it is on you to prove it.

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rufa thank you very much for your support it is priceless.

louiseb thank you for correcting my post location

kttycat, thank you for your quick reply

I'm reading this "Partner Migration Booklet" and it seems a good manual for starters... It is available on immi.gov.au/allforms/booklets/books1.htm

I'm aware of all requirements to obtain Partner visa. Most of them are achievable and true (>12 month relationship, sponsorship, health and character (i guess so, we are good people ))

The one that can be a issue is to prove our genuine and continuing relationship (page 39 of the document above), first of all because of the statutory declarations, and secondly, we live together for over 6 years, but we don't have a bank account together for example... but we have old photos...

I guess we will give up of our first option of taking her as a tourist, and wait for her student visa... In Australia, if we like the country, if I get a good job, and if we don't miss to much our relatives (hard), then she applies for a 820/801...

In my opinion it might be easier onshore... right?

Thank you all for you feedback


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rufa thank you very much for your support it is priceless.

louiseb thank you for correcting my post location

kttycat, thank you for your quick reply

I'm reading this "Partner Migration Booklet" and it seems a good manual for starters... It is available on immi.gov.au/allforms/booklets/books1.htm

I'm aware of all requirements to obtain Partner visa. Most of them are achievable and true (>12 month relationship, sponsorship, health and character (i guess so, we are good people ))

The one that can be a issue is to prove our genuine and continuing relationship (page 39 of the document above), first of all because of the statutory declarations, and secondly, we live together for over 6 years, but we don't have a bank account together for example... but we have old photos...

I guess we will give up of our first option of taking her as a tourist, and wait for her student visa... In Australia, if we like the country, if I get a good job, and if we don't miss to much our relatives (hard), then she applies for a 820/801...

In my opinion it might be easier onshore... right?

Thank you all for you feedback
I guess that onshore is an option if your willing to "wait" longer but already in Oz. now you will also have to consider the bridging visa once the kicks in when the student visa expires. The normally come with work restrictions... And not very easy to take off as I have read on the forum.

The ticket has to be a return ticket but then there isn't much of a difference unless do what I did and booked my flights through an international immigration program. N only do you get a cheaper ticket , you are also allowed some extra luggage allowance. I'll send you the contacts

As for proof of your relationship, try thinking of proof that's not so obvious like pictures, trips you made together, concerts, mobile records, family pictures, weddings you've been to. Invoices going to the same address, a bank stament proving that one of you pays certain utility bills, And attch the invoice, all this is valuable proof that you r in a continuous and committed relationship right?! The bank account is just a minor detail. I didn't send them any bank statement that we had together although I had other obvious information.I recall the user Adventuress wrote a post about evidence which is pretty good. She too had the same dilemma and she managed to get enough to lodge her application.

Onshore or off shore you'll have to provide all this evidence too, so weight the pros and cons of each and then decide. Honestly I haven't read the onshore partner visa I'm sure there are differences I mean the price is double so for sure it must have significant differences, I reckon.

Statutory declarations if done on shore must be from Australia citizens. The off shore ones don't, that I know for sure so in the end it's all up to you

I definitely would go down the tourist visa route though. To risky and you can't afford to jeopardize your future partner visa at any stage.

Missing family is always going to be an issue. But there are so many ways of keeping in touch nowadays that it kind of helps when you miss your relatives. It's not the same thing but definitely much better than a few years ago when ppl had to write letters

All the best!

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I guess that onshore is an option if your willing to "wait" longer but already in Oz. now you will also have to consider the bridging visa once the kicks in when the student visa expires. The normally come with work restrictions... And not very easy to take off as I have read on the forum......

All the best!
From November last year the bridging visa A is issued without working restrictions so that is no longer an issue.

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From November last year the bridging visa A is issued without working restrictions so that is no longer an issue.

Kttykat
Great news!!!! Had no idea.

At least something is easier!

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