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Old 02-12-2013, 02:06 PM
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look at this link below it gives you all the requirements of an intended NOIM incl if one cannot sign at the time of application.
it does state that If a party to an intended marriage cannot conveniently sign this Notice at the time it is intended to give notice of the intended marriage, the other party may sign the Notice and give it to the proposed authorized celebrant. However, in this case, the party who has not signed the notice must sign it in the presence of that celebrant or another authorized celebrant before the marriage is solemnized.

http://www.justice.qld.gov.au/__data...riage-form.pdf
Thanks Louise! <3 Yes, I found that exact form and filled it out last night. The wording for that section can be kind of confusing, though, as I said above. Maybe they'll rewrite it at some point.

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That's interesting, mel! And thanks. I think you must be referring to this section:

"If a party to an intended marriage cannot conveniently sign this Notice at the time it is intended to give notice of the intended marriage, the other party may sign the Notice and give it to the proposed authorized celebrant. However, in this case, the party who has not signed the notice must sign it in the presence of that celebrant or another authorized celebrant before the marriage is solemnized."

I can absolutely see how you read it the way you did, as I read it that way the first couple times as well. But after looking on a couple of marriage celebrants' websites and what "standard procedure" is for couples where one is abroad, I read it differently.

It says "the other party may sign the notice" and that "the party who has not signed the notice must sign it in the presence of a celebrant before the marriage is solemnized."

What I BELIEVE they are trying to say is that the partner IN Australia signs in *their own* signature box, and then the other partner signs *their* box when they are in Australia. This is worded so ambiguously, though, I absolutely see how you got the impression you did. And who knows, it may even be the correct one!

But since they hassled you about it, and I've read of other folks who did it the one-signature way and were not hassled about it, I think we'll give the one-signature way a go and see how we make out, heh.

It's so incredible to me how many tiny details there are in this process that can go wrong!
Oh wow you just showed me something. Didn't even see it could be read that way as to just put one signature on there!!!! Clever girl....go that way then hey...but I would still go ahead and quote the clause and sub clause of the document you are using to have just one signature on there...I guess my point was that I didn't get the impression from my CO that I had done it wrong, rather that I need him to sign it, giving me the sense that maybe they don't always know all of the ins and outs as well as I thought they might. I would rather be proactive in addressing that with a one liner in your paperwork.

One other thing...it is not in the check list but is in the partner booklet that you need to submit at least 2 stat decs from Australia Citizens attesting to the nature of you relationship. Not sure if you have that covered of not but thought I would mention it.

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Old 02-12-2013, 03:16 PM
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Oh wow you just showed me something. Didn't even see it could be read that way as to just put one signature on there!!!! Clever girl....go that way then hey...but I would still go ahead and quote the clause and sub clause of the document you are using to have just one signature on there...I guess my point was that I didn't get the impression from my CO that I had done it wrong, rather that I need him to sign it, giving me the sense that maybe they don't always know all of the ins and outs as well as I thought they might. I would rather be proactive in addressing that with a one liner in your paperwork.

One other thing...it is not in the check list but is in the partner booklet that you need to submit at least 2 stat decs from Australia Citizens attesting to the nature of you relationship. Not sure if you have that covered of not but thought I would mention it.
Re: The part I bolded above - is that ever the truth! I'll definitely note something in there. Thanks for all your help, mel. You're amazing.

Again, I think the Partner Booklet is ambiguous about whether or not you need stat decs from Australian Citizens. My MA seems to be under the same impression Mark Northam is -- that they're not required for the PMV. We have to provide statements from friends and family, but it just says "statements." I know (as you helpfully pointed out on another thread) on page 31 it says in regards to the statements PMV applicants need "see the stat decs section on page 27 for guidance" but they specifically separate out the section for PMV on page 27 to just say they need to be "similar statements." There's nowhere it explicitly states that PMV applicants have to have stat decs from Australian citizens. They really need to make this more obvious/clear.

I'm sending my MA the statements we have from friends/family here in the US, and they're going to look at it and decide if they're strong enough that we don't need to try to come up with stat decs as well.

Normally I'd just try to cover all our bases and get the stat decs from Aussies anyway, but my partner is just not an extremely social person. He has made one close friend in Sydney since he moved there two years ago, and they just had a falling out. He of course talks about me to his boss and co-workers frequently - but only on a superficial level the way you do at work, if you know what I mean.

I'm sure these people would write stat decs for us if we absolutely had to have them, but they would be attesting to very little. They haven't met me, talked to me, Skyped with me -- I just don't want to dilute the strength of the statements we have from US friends and family (and we have great ones) with weak stat decs from Australians who barely know me if we don't absolutely have to.

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Ok guys to shed a little light on this, when i had applied to the celebrant she told both Kevin and i to sign the form which we did and sent back to AU along with both original birth certificates, I dont recall having to send her letters from friends, but it doesnt mean she didnt ask because i did tell her to contact the agency if she required anything else, and seeing as they had letters galour from friends and family it could be she asked for them.
I know for certain she asked for the signitures of both kevin and I and our Birth certificates and they had to be original documents.

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Sorry, Louise, we've got two separate topics going on here, and I think it led to some confusion:

1) What a celebrant needs/NOIM;
2) Whether PMV applicants have to submit stat decs with their PMV application.

Yes, both people have to sign it, but when one is offshore, it appears they can lodge the NOIM without the offshore partner's signature and just ensure it is signed by that person before they marry.

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Oh College Girl, talk about mis-readings! Wordings can be tricky which it should not be! I've been there and done that. And still on the process of learning their trade. Let us not give up our sanity for this. Enjoy the journey.

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Old 02-13-2013, 02:19 AM
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This is too small for its own thread, but I'm getting too many search results to be able to find this. It seems like applicant and sponsor's statements about their relationship do NOT need to be certified/notarized - is that right?

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This is too small for its own thread, but I'm getting too many search results to be able to find this. It seems like applicant and sponsor's statements about their relationship do NOT need to be certified/notarized - is that right?
Hmmm I know with our relationship statements that we did them as statutory declarations but we were applying for a partner visa and took the better safe than sorry attitude.

On the immigration website Evidence of Dependency
It says: "You and your partner must each provide a statement or statutory declaration regarding the history of your relationship, including....."

Therefore it would seem either would do but as I said we went the statutory declaration because we could, as we have a neighbor who is a JP and was happy to do it for us.

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Hmmm I know with our relationship statements that we did them as statutory declarations but we were applying for a partner visa and took the better safe than sorry attitude.

On the immigration website Evidence of Dependency
It says: "You and your partner must each provide a statement or statutory declaration regarding the history of your relationship, including....."

Therefore it would seem either would do but as I said we went the statutory declaration because we could, as we have a neighbor who is a JP and was happy to do it for us.

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Yeah, that was my inclination, too. Certified for him and notarized for me it is, then! Thanks, KK. (Just finished my final draft of my 47SP, 40SP and Form 80. Eyes crossing. Time for bed! lol)

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Old 03-11-2013, 06:28 AM
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So we've run into a little bit of a snafu - just posting this here in case anyone else has the same experience.

We did as described above and my fiance chose a celebrant, signed the NOIM in front of him, and he is treating it as being accepted on the date my fiance signed it in front of him. However, (as we know) it's not "complete" until I sign it... which we thought would be fine to do once I got there.

This celebrant we chose apparently has no clue what kind of letter he'd need to write for immigration, so we were just going to submit a certified copy of the NOIM - but the celebrant said for immigration purposes the copy we submit needs to be signed by both of us. So now it has to be mailed to me so I can sign it in front of a notary, and then copy it and have that notarized (if I'm understanding correctly).

Is this the right thing to do? Should I ask him to write a letter as well? Is there guidance beyond that it needs to include that it was signed on X date, that we plan to marry on X date, etc?

There really needs to be better documentation on this part of the process...

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