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Old 04-14-2013, 12:22 AM
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I have that booklet printed out and will give it a good going over during the holidays. We would happily live together, however I am not sure how we do that if he has already been here on the tourist visa. Like someone said (I read your replies and can't recall - it is the end of the school day lol), I don't know how happy immigration would be to let him come here on another long stay. He really needs to be able to work anyway, and that is not possible on most visas from the looks of it.

We are looking at the prospective partner/marriage (?) visa....is there a way we could get him here and apply for it later - whatever the onshore one is? Is is ever as simple as that?

Anyway, like I said I will go over the booklet as carefully as I can and ask as I go - I really appreciate the words of encouragement.
I will explain as best as I can

Basically, if I'm not mistaken (PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong here, after all, each of us usually has experience with only one type visa so I'm only 100% about the road I went down myself) at the end of the day we all apply for the 820 Partner Visa onshore. The difference is that people who went with the PMV (Prospective Marriage Visa, has to be applied for offshore) did that first and only after that apply for the 820. If you are already onshore you can just apply for the 820 from there without doing the PMV first. Mind you, people who were already approved for the PMV offshore and then apply for the 820 onshore already know they have sufficient evidence so my guess would be they have not only a better idea when they start at the 820 but also a better chance as they've already been approved once.

Another difference between the "Straight to 820" and "PMV then 820" road is marriage. To apply for a PMV you have to intend to get married - if you are onshore and apply for the 820 onshore without the PMV first you can be married or not.

The 820 is meant for both the married and the not married ("de-facto"). However, I feel that often people mix up "married or de facto" with "married or dating" - de facto is supposed to be just as committed as marriage. So if you apply for a de facto, just because you're not married doesn't mean you don't have to prove you are a complete and permanent part of each other's lives. This also wrongly causes people to think that the de facto visa is "more difficult" than the married one. In both instances you have to have serious proof of shared household, joint finances etcetera - the main difference is that for the facto you have to either have lived together for 12 months or have a registered relationship.

As for the onshore/offshore question you had - unfortunately the only way to apply onshore is if you are already married or de facto and already onshore. Fiances and offshore people who cannot get onshore to apply directly there are directed towards PMV.

At the end of the day he can always apply for another tourist visa to see if he can come onshore. The problem with that would be that he'd have to be honest - Immigration for as far as I know doesn't take kindly to contradictions between visas. For me - I applied for a Working Holiday Visa and then we applied onshore for a partner visa, however, the Working Holiday Visa was applicable and an honest choice as our first year in Australia was meant to see if we wanted to stay there together, so we were not even 100% sure at that time that we wouldn't go back to The Netherlands - I was literally coming to explore Australian life and experience Australian culture, and then we would decide where we'd go next. You have to be honest about your reasons and there is still a chance he could get accepted even if he says he's coming to be with his partner - though I don't know your chances of that and it's up to you.

As I said in my first post - I am always a big advocate of this - if you can, I recommend you go stay with him for a while as well, perhaps while you await your PMV verdict, so you don't have to be apart and you get to see where he comes from. The UK may not be extremely different from Australia in culture but it's still a different climate and his family is still different from yours. I don't think my partner would understand me as well as he does now if he hadn't lived with me in The Netherlands for a year. So if you don't want to be apart, even though you're going PMV, that is always an option.

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Visa Sub: 820 Partner Temp Onshore (De Facto)
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Application: Paper
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Case Officer Assigned: 23 December 2013
Request for More Information: 19 May 2014
Requested Information: Australian Federal Police Check
Supplied on: 26 May 2014
Visa Granted: 4 June 2014


Permanent Stage Application: 22 January 2015
PERMANENT PARTNER (801) GRANTED ON 18 MAY 2015 - WE DID IT!

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Thanks. I got the booklet out today, and I think a PMV is the way we will be going. I would happily go and live with him in England except my children are under 18. They will all be over that age in a year or two tho, so if all else fails....feeling a little despondent at the moment. I know it is all a process, and must be worked through, though, so will keep plugging away. I am pretty sure we can prove the relationship...after reading the evidence that is required. His Mum and his daughter will happily write a stat dec, as will the people he was staying with when we met here.

I know there is a lot more to it than just that...but a bit at a time - we'll get there, one way or another.

And if push comes to shove, I will happily spend a year or so in England - I loved it while I was there over Christmas. Now, if we could just organise for it to be a little closer (Danged oceans - they're too big to swim across )

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Old 04-14-2013, 01:48 PM
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Thanks. I got the booklet out today, and I think a PMV is the way we will be going. I would happily go and live with him in England except my children are under 18. They will all be over that age in a year or two tho, so if all else fails....feeling a little despondent at the moment. I know it is all a process, and must be worked through, though, so will keep plugging away. I am pretty sure we can prove the relationship...after reading the evidence that is required. His Mum and his daughter will happily write a stat dec, as will the people he was staying with when we met here.

I know there is a lot more to it than just that...but a bit at a time - we'll get there, one way or another.

And if push comes to shove, I will happily spend a year or so in England - I loved it while I was there over Christmas. Now, if we could just organise for it to be a little closer (Danged oceans - they're too big to swim across )
Don't get discouraged! Easier said than done and we all have moments where we want to throw in the towel because it never feels like we have enough to show for anything, but all you can do is prepare yourself well for what exactly they expect and start gathering the evidence. We've had some very bad luck, causing what we believe is not as much evidence as we would have liked to have, but it never stopped us because there's just no giving up. I see the same in what you said giving up is not an option.

The more you know the less they can surprise you and the more in control of the situation you'll feel. I recommend searching relevant threads on this forum as well. I, as many others did, posted my checklist of evidence before handing it in, so others could have a look at it - now I went for a different visa than you guys will, but I'm sure there's posts out here showing what others going for the PMV filed as evidence. Just to get new ideas.

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Visa Sub: 820 Partner Temp Onshore (De Facto)
Applied: 23 January 2013 (front loaded)
Application: Paper
Agent: No

Case Officer Assigned: 23 December 2013
Request for More Information: 19 May 2014
Requested Information: Australian Federal Police Check
Supplied on: 26 May 2014
Visa Granted: 4 June 2014


Permanent Stage Application: 22 January 2015
PERMANENT PARTNER (801) GRANTED ON 18 MAY 2015 - WE DID IT!

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Old 04-14-2013, 07:59 PM
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Thanks Nelly. I needed to hear that. Have just started to type up the letter about us, how we met etc, and just the combination of your words and doing that has been enough to strengthen my resolve.

We will keep at it...and yes, I will go for a another wander through this site....as soon as I finish re-living what was a pretty wonderful part of history - the first time we met

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Old 04-16-2013, 08:18 PM
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When I am writing the stat dec re evidence of history etc....how much should I be writing?


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Old 04-16-2013, 08:49 PM
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However much it takes to cover everything you need to cover. I know that's no help. My partner and I each wrote 3-4 pages, but I'm sure you'll find people here who wrote much more or much less.

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Great...I was beginning to wonder if I am writing a novel Thanks College Girl.


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Oh, and should it be handwritten, or is it okay to type it on the computer and print it out? Sorry - I know these questions seem silly but we need to get it as right as we can.


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Old 04-16-2013, 09:39 PM
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It's okay to type it. Just make sure you each compose your own. You want it to be your own words and your own "voice."

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Visa Granted: Early July 2014.
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Old 04-16-2013, 10:49 PM
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I am sure his won't be as long as mine....writing and typing are not his thing at all I do most of the talking as well, oddly enough


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