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Old 05-02-2009, 09:58 AM
 
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Sponsor form 40sp question

Hi all. I'm currently filling out my 4orm 40sp, (Sponsorship for partner to migrate to Australia, and am having trouble distinguishing the difference between question 11 which is

When did you and your partner make the decision that you both:
wanted to commit to a long-term spouse or interdependent
relationship; or
intended to marry each other?

and question 12

When and where did you begin a spouse or interdependent relationship
with your partner?
A spouse or interdependent relationship is a relationship between a
couple who have a mutual commitment to a shared life to the exclusion
of any other spouse relationships or any other interdependent
relationships.
The relationship between them is genuine and continuing and they live
together; or do not live separately and apart on a permanent basis.


To me they appear to be asking the same thing really. Is anyone able to shed some light on the difference for me?

Thanks heaps

Darren


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I was confused with this question as well.
Question 11 basically means when did you decide you wanted to be together and question 12 is when did this actually happen.
- of course this could be that it is the exact same date.
However, you could have met in different circumstances and have been apart when you initially decided to be together.
My partner and I met on the internet and decided to be together within 4 months of speaking (i was in australia and he was in france) therefore question 11 was the date on the internet we decided to be in a relationship and question 12 we wrote the day we actually met in person and the city we were in.

Hope this has helped!!


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Thanks for the reply, it makes more sense now. I was thinking of putting the same date for both questions, which was the date my partner moved in with me.

I orginally met my partner on the internet as well, though I actually answered question 9 as the date we physically met in Sydney, which was about six months after we had met on the internet.

Just curious. Did you put in the date you met on the net, or the date you physically met? If it was the date you met on the internet, did you just write "Internet" for the "place" field in the question?

Thanks for your assistance. We'll be both very happy to have the application submitted. It's been a lot of work. Having a partner that has kept every single piece of correspondence and email every sent between us has been a great help ;-)

Cheers

Darren


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Glad I can be of assistance!
I definitely needed lots of advice while going through everything.

We wrote "internet" for question 9 and the date we met on the internet and in the statements by both of us we explained this further and how often we spoke, etc.
My partner just had a phone interview and our case officer asked him to repeat how we met, what internet site, etc.

Evidence of all the correspondence definitely helps! We saved every email, phone bill, etc and included it all too.
Also include envelopes addressed to the both of you at the address you live in!

Good luck,

Belle


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I'm no expert on interpreting exactly what they may be actually asking for Darren and Belle and though they are similar, my own thinking is first of all, they have asked them in the wrong order as far as a time line goes, ie.

11. The commitment to a long term relationship/marriage would in the normal context of modern living come after you had for some time cohabitated and got to know that you want to share a life together.

12. To me it is just asking when did you start your cohabitation and seeing as there are many relationships that do not survive cohabitation it may not be a date for future commitment, it being different to dating as you'd know.

So in some ways, whether meant to be so or not, it has potential to be a bit of a trick question and really one that there are different possible answers like having the same date, ie. again - some people may be so smitten with love at first sight that their moving in together is also a sign of commitment and for those that happily continue it can be so.

A splitting of hairs you could say, given that most people will not be sponsoring a partner unless they are committed.

So maybe it is just worded like it is to have you think about and have your mind around the situation, maybe immi's attempt at weeding out any visas of convenience.

Hope that helps.





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Thanks for the reply Wanderer. The thought that the question were out of order crossed my mind as well. A friend, who applied for the visa a cple of years ago answered question 11 as the date they were married and question 12 as the date that they started to live together and share living expenses. Hence they assumed the questions to be out of order as well.

My wife see's the question as being the same date, as in her mind the fact that we intended to have a spouse relationship, was in itself, intention to marry. In fact, being somewhat conservative, she wouldn't have even moved in with me had this not been the case.

I guess another way to interrupt the question is for question 12 to be the date, we started to live together, and question 11 to be the date that we started to seriously think/talk about marriage being in our future. We started to live together, and I distinctly remember seriously thinking of marriage a couple of months after that. It was at that stage that I started finding out information about the visa, and around the time we started to collect evidence of our relationship. It was about 8 months after that, that I actually proposed.

It's somewhat open to interpretation

Cheers guys

Darren


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