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Old 05-08-2013, 01:16 AM
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They don't want the transcripts -- but they probably want records. They specifically ask in the partner migration booklet for you to show how you kept in touch during times apart.

For example, don't print out chat logs, but give them the skype records of all calls you made through skype to his phone. Supply your cell phone records, highlighting each other's calls. Provide screen shots of your email inbox (after filtering) showing all the emails sent/received from each other. Print up some Last Will and Testaments online, fill them out in front of witnesses and name each other as beneficiaries. Have him put you as his beneficiary on his superannuation. (Unfortunately, these will be after the fact, but sometimes they accept that.)

When you went on those road trips... did you stay in hotels? Did you pay FOR ANYTHING with your cards? Did you use ATMs? You can supply those financial records with a statement that tells the story.

Have you bought each other gifts? Do you guys have a car? Are you both on the insurance to drive it? Do you belong to any clubs? Have any hobbies in common? I would totally include evidence of that steam thing -- thats an activity you enjoy together even if it is an online one.

With your joint bank statements, is it obvious that you were both contributing, not just spending together? That can be VERY important. If it is not immediately obvious from the records you supplied, try to find evidence that you both contributed. For example, maybe you withdrew a few hundred dollars from your individual account and then deposited it in cash in your joint account. Supply the record from the withdrawal and tie it together with the deposit.

I hope that helps. Hopefully, they will give you a chance to give them some more evidence before assessing your application. I believe they usually do this. If I were you, I would be looking at the sticky about gathering evidence for a de facto and going frantically through all records to get ready for the request. You have 28 days to give them more evidence when they ask for it. Or beat them to it -- supply it ASAP to them with a note that you heard from a forum you might not have supplied enough evidence and if they need this stuff, add it to your application.
Thanks for your response, jmcd.

When we were apart, we never called each other on our mobiles or called the other's mobile from Skype because international mobile calls are expensive, but as I mentioned above, we do try to video call on Skype for at least one hour every day. I could provide a "log" of the days the calls were made and how long they lasted for, but I don't know if it would mean all that much to Immigration - considering you could have just left that video on and walked away, you know? That said, it would certainly be better than nothing. We might try to write up wills and list each other as beneficiaries.

We did stay in hotels, but more often than not, we had to book our trips online - and our joint account debit cards could not be used online so we had to pay online with our individual accounts. We didn't use ATMs either, but I think we would have made a lot of purchases together - so I might be able to find those receipts or whatnot and include them.

We have bought each other a lot of gifts (but not with money from our joint account). A lot of my gifts to him have sweet meaning behind them and a few of his to me do too. We also have secret message rings that we wear all the time. We don't have our own car, and we don't belong to any clubs. We did join Virgin Active together, though, so we might be able to provide the signup paperwork for that. We game together a lot (both with each other only and together with friends), but unfortunately, there isn't much evidence of that - as games might record the amount of time you've played but not when you play or who you play with.

We have both contributed to our joint account balance and used our joint account to make purchases for both of us (groceries, movies, dinners, occasionally gas, etc.). We provided statements from both our joint bank account and our personal accounts so that they should be able to match previous withdrawals and contributions. We are also now each trying to make monthly contributions to our joint account, even though we are not spending the balance because we are apart.

Thanks again! I will start gathering everything ASAP.

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My CO told me that the only thing I was missing was my health check and I sent even less then you. Alas, I do not have my decision yet but I have not been asked for more information. It is my personal opinion only that the PMV does not need as much as the 2nd part of our visa will. This really just needs to prove our intent to marry and live out our lives as genuine man and wife. That we are actually doing so will require much more documentation for part two. Again, this is just my opinion. But again my fiancÚ and I are building a house and that's a pretty permanent adventure and maybe that was just a big enough conviction for my CO he felt he didn't need to ask for more. Unfortunately I'm just waiting for the decision like everyone else.
Hey sarahw; thanks for your response. Best of luck to both of us!

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I'm not sure why people keep referring to the PMV - Queli is not applying for a PMV, as far as I can tell?

JMCD, I don't agree that all they want is a screenshot showing a list of emails you sent each other, or Skype records (but not chat logs). They want to see evidence that your commitment is genuine and that your relationship is ongoing, and these items are evidence of that.

With our application I provided a selection of e-mails, Skype chat transcripts and Facebook transcripts where we talked about our feelings for each other, our plans for the future, etc. They don't want EVERY SINGLE chat or email you ever sent - but a relevant sampling is great evidence, IMO, and many people here have submitted such evidence with a successful conclusion to their visa.
Thanks, CG. You are right; I am not applying for a PMV - but rather for an offshore partner visa based on a de facto relationship.

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CollegeGirl is right sometimes overloading your CO with rubbish evidence is something that will work against you. You seem to have provided the basics.

I would send out a letter to CO, outlining what that you have additional evidence. Write bullet points outlining that you have Skype records and Facebook conversations etc. so co will know you have it and can ask for it if needed.

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Thanks so much, boboa; that's a lovely idea!

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Good luck! That's all we really have to share

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Okay, so I only found this website after having submitted my application for a de-facto offshore partner visa (309/100). I have learned a lot since, and I wish I had found it earlier because now I am very worried that I didn't submit even close to enough information with my application.

In terms of relationship evidence submitted with my partner visa application, I only included:

1) de facto relationship registration certificate
2) 2 notarized statutory declarations from Australian citizens (Form 888: one from my partner's mum and one from a mutual friend)
3) joint bank account statement printed and stamped at the bank (showing transactions for groceries, movies, dinners, etc. May-August 2012)
4) ~20 cards (6 from me to my partner, 5 from my partner to me, 5 from our parents to the other SO, and 4 addressed to both of us)
5) a small photo album I made for our 2-year anniversary (mostly pictures of just us without friends or family)
6) written statements from my partner and I (signed and dated on each page, but not notarized as we were told this was not needed)

Is there any chance that this will be enough evidence? (I don't think so anymore.)

What is the best way to proceed from here? Do I submit more evidence with or without asking my CO - if so, what kind of things could I submit? Do I just wait and hope for the best? Do I withdraw my application?

Thanks in advance!
~Queli

**EDIT: To provide a bit of further context: We lived together for 11.5 months in one room in his parents house in Australia, so we do not have a joint lease to provide. We have a couple of mutual friends and we have met each other's families, but because we are both introverted and low-key, we spent almost all of our time alone together. We made a few weekend road trips together but do not have much evidence of this other than pictures. We have been apart a fair bit because I was in university in the US when our relationship began and now he is in university in Australia. We stay in touch every day via Facebook and Skype (but I was told on the immigration help line not to include any of these transcripts), and we also play games on Steam.
I sent in pretty much the same evidence, but with facebook and skype logs, telephone records, and alot of emails between our family members.

We had never lived together, but had numerous small visits over a 3 year period( two of which she was still legally married to another but legally seperated)

We where legally married before applying for visa (married only 2 months at time of application)

We where approved for 309 partner visa.
As long as your evidence points to a genuine and continuing relationship, which is supported by family and friends you should be okay.

I personally think your statements from friends and family in Aus carry alot of weight, as we where very short in the financial category, but very strong in the social category of evidence.

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I sent in pretty much the same evidence, but with facebook and skype logs, telephone records, and alot of emails between our family members.

We had never lived together, but had numerous small visits over a 3 year period( two of which she was still legally married to another but legally seperated)

We where legally married before applying for visa (married only 2 months at time of application)

We where approved for 309 partner visa.
As long as your evidence points to a genuine and continuing relationship, which is supported by family and friends you should be okay.

I personally think your statements from friends and family in Aus carry alot of weight, as we where very short in the financial category, but very strong in the social category of evidence.
Thanks Bradster. I hope you have a safe flight!!

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And still waiting.
We must have got it wrong... maybe less is more? It's certainly less work for them -- and of course, the MORE evidence you supply, the greater your chances of submitting stuff that can seem to tell competing stories.
Sigh. But how do you know how much is enough and how much is too much and how much is NOT enough? I wish they would give us some better guidelines.

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And still waiting.
We must have got it wrong... maybe less is more? It's certainly less work for them -- and of course, the MORE evidence you supply, the greater your chances of submitting stuff that can seem to tell competing stories.
Sigh. But how do you know how much is enough and how much is too much and how much is NOT enough? I wish they would give us some better guidelines.
Best of luck, jmcd. your time will come soon!

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Awesome news for you but it's so messed up how inconsitent they are being at the moment...are they tossing a coin these days to decide yay/nay? I'm about to fork out another $5K to study for another 6 months so that we can submit an application which doesn't have any holes for them to poke at. *rant over*


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