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Old 05-15-2009, 07:13 PM
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What if you called the Australian High Commission in Ottawa? They will most likely be able to answer your questions.

Home - Australian High Commission toll free: 1-888-990-8888


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Old 05-16-2009, 01:09 AM
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Yes, the contact link I posted takes you through to the HC as office for immigration in Canada - Canada - Contacts

The reason I suggested contacting immigration in Australia is twofold though.

1. As I said, you will be able to have got your thoughts together and down on paper, assessing what your options are.

2. Even having done that, you'll already know what it's like conducting what could be a lengthy telephone conversation with three little ones about, and so unless you can get that Aussie husband doing it or have Grandma take the kids to the park for an hour or so, still best to do something via email.

3. And there's a third for contacting immi in Australia, for though Embassies/Consulates/HCs can have staff who can be extremely helpful, you can often end up talking in your case to a Canadian employed by DFAT and they'll possibly not have ready access to more experienced immigration people in Australia and it's over here that'll you really need to have a ruling.

And with doing a phone call, you still need to have some concept of what you'll likely be facing and that can be best done by having it on paper.

Your options would seem to be as follows: [and immi do not deviate easily and very very rarely from what their regulations are]
1 . You and kids all stay in Canada to get it all sorted.
[Actually some advantages in that as your hub can at least have some accommodation organised though I'd suspect his company in wanting him back will arrange for some temporary digs anyway.]
And not your desired choice.

So if he/the company has not enough flexibility to wait an extra couple of months possibly and you want to all go together, you have:
2. a. Go over on ETA or a six months tourist visa.
[ the main concern that immi have is that people come on a holiday and then want to work]
Theres no dishonesty in that you're coming on a holiday with the kids while your husband is checking out his new promotion offer and then you decide it'll be good and put in your spouse visa and kids stuff.

2. b. You start the application while in Canada, head to Oz and then have to go back to Canada and hopefully the kids will have their citizenship before you need to return [ and Aussie grandma looks after the kids while you're going back to Canada to finalise your spouse visa!], probably not too desirable either.

So the crunch question is would a bridging visa be issued for you after applying in Australia, having come in on an ETA ?

If the answer is No!, then same question for a tourist visa ....but if you have the application all bundled up ready to lodge on arrival, I'd be very surprised if it was not done inside six months and actually I would not mind betting you'll be pleasantly surprised just how quick it will be.

Once you know the appropriate path to be followed, just get some quiet time [courtesy of grandma or whomever] and using the immi Checklist [and a dummy application form] go through step by step, putting documents that need copying and certifying in a folder and so when you've got to end of the dummy application you'll have all documents together.

If you have to get documents from government departments, make a note on the dummy checklist and get that organised - then on with next step - the stress will fade away and by time you have the dummy checklist all ticked off you'll have your folder of documents to go and copy and get certified in one hit.

Then just put it all together with your real application forms filled in.

And keep yourself a separate file for the kids citizenship and just do the same with their applications, a dummy and a real one.

But get an email of to immi first, that can be done right now and you can still ring the HC too and it will not do any harm to the email.





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Magera- thanks, I have called the high commission daily for the last 2 weeks it seems!!! Surprised they dont know me by name! LOL. Yes, I have a function on my iphone that tells me the time in Australia. Hubbie travels there a lot.

Wanderer- thanks again for all you thoughts and help. Especially thank you for the info about Australians having to travel to Australia on Australian passports!!!!I had no idea and would have turned up with Canadian passports and Australian citizenship certificates!
I called Ottawa again yesterday and they told me citizenship is only taking 10 days to process and AUS passports are only taking 10 days to process in Canada. So all is good on that front.

As for me. After many calls to Ottawa, discussions with hubbie and scouring the internet for past experiences, we have decided to apply from Canada. All the Australian Visa workers I have spoken to say it is not ideal to apply for a visa on a ETA. Main reason being you have to basically lie at immigration when you arrive. We are having all our belongings shipped over as well as our dog and cat! So too many things we can get caught on.

We have also finished the application here with Canadian lawyers etc. Doing in Australia we'd have to start from scratch with Australians.
The last person(at Consulate) I talked to told me to include a letter with my application stating our time constraints and they would do there best to accommodate us. She said given our circumstances and length of time we have been together, it may not be an issue.
If I do go to Aus and have to come back for visa, one consulate employee actually told me I may be able to get my passport stamped with the final documentation at the New Zealand Consulate. But I would have to discuss it with my case officer.

anyhow, we will decide in July what our case looks like and if I stay or if I go.

I'll keep you posted!

thanks for all your help guys!


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Old 05-17-2009, 11:02 AM
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Clare,
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Wanderer- thanks again for all you thoughts and help. Especially thank you for the info about Australians having to travel to Australia on Australian passports!!!!I had no idea and would have turned up with Canadian passports and Australian citizenship certificates!
I called Ottawa again yesterday and they told me citizenship is only taking 10 days to process and AUS passports are only taking 10 days to process in Canada. So all is good on that front.
You could still use Canadian passports and visas if the kids weren't able to get the Oz citizenship and passport in time but sounds like the Canadians/Aussies there are helping out and if it is that quick, certainly makes sense if you haven't already got them Canadian passports.
If you haven't, I'll be interested to know [just out of interest] whether the Canadians have a similar reg., ie. Canadians having to use a Canadian passport to leave/enter Canada - will make for an interesting situation but then with Aussie citizenship, these Canadian sounding kids in Canada can just be Aussies already!, and poor mum!

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All the Australian Visa workers I have spoken to say it is not ideal to apply for a visa on a ETA. Main reason being you have to basically lie at immigration when you arrive. We are having all our belongings shipped over as well as our dog and cat! So too many things we can get caught on.
That's the reason for emailing immi in Australia and I think you'd find that you can enter on an ETA or Tourist Visa [they even have a family sponsored tourist visa - hub is family sponsor] and will not have to lie and your decision but with whatever work you're paying lawyers for - what goes on/in to the application will essentially be the same on/off shore and so nothing to lose really.
And it will not be a case of getting caught for your husband is an Aussie and he'll be returning to Australia [with Aussie kids by sounds of things and their mum, his wife ]

What you do need to do though is also look at the dog and cat requirements, no passport required!, but just as much paperwork to kind of get a visa [or import approval]
You and hub probably ought to get familiar with Customs home page re what you can bring etc., concessions and prohibited items and if you follow a few links [it's a bit tricky] you'll get to Bringing Cats and Dogs and other pets to Australia - DAFF re what all the checks are and quarantine requirements/costs - could be more expensive than people costs!

And yes, certainly help if they can give your application quick process for with marriage and kids it certainly ought to be a no doubt case and if you have all the documents in order, getting a couple of stamps and signatures etc. shouldn't take all that long.

Anyway, good luck with all the aranging/packing/offloading etc. you have ahead.





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Old 05-17-2009, 02:39 PM
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If you haven't, I'll be interested to know [just out of interest] whether the Canadians have a similar reg., ie. Canadians having to use a Canadian passport to leave/enter Canada - will make for an interesting situation but then with Aussie citizenship, these Canadian sounding kids in Canada can just be Aussies already!, and poor mum!




What you do need to do though is also look at the dog and cat requirements, no passport required!, but just as much paperwork to kind of get a visa [or import approval]
You and hub probably ought to get familiar with Customs home page re what you can bring etc., concessions and prohibited items and if you follow a few links [it's a bit tricky] you'll get to Bringing Cats and Dogs and other pets to Australia - DAFF re what all the checks are and quarantine requirements/costs - could be more expensive than people costs!

I think we do. If you're a Canadian citizen and you enter Canada under a different passport then you are entering as a visitor/tourist and therefore cannot do things a regular citizen is entitled to.
So basically for an Australian/Canadian situation (being citizens of both countries) this is how you'd do it:

Leave Canada on your Canadian passport,
Arrive in Australia on your Australian passport.

Leave Australia on your Australian passport,
Arrive in Canada on your Canadian passport.

So if you're a dual citizen then you will be making use of both passports when travelling between the two countries. It at least makes going through those dreaded customs lines a lot quicker


As for pets, we looked into taking our two cats but it was going to be prohibitively expensive. On top of thinking the flight would be traumatising, I also thought that any sort of quarantine period would be even more traumatising (one cat especially was very clingy and I knew that he wouldn't be the same cat on the other side of it all...).
Unfortunately one cat passed away in January after getting sick and so we're hoping to find a family member to take the other one.


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Yes, we are well underway with animal paperwork. We actually had to have their blood tested for rabies antibodies. They are not aloud into Australian society until 6 months after the blood was drawn. Luckily we knew this and did quite a while back. So they will be in quarantine for 4-6 weeks, tops. There is a minimum 4 weeks quarantine.
Because my husband is being transferred with work, we worked the shipment of dog and cat into the contract. Thank god! Because it is VERY costly. I think his company was in shock when they heard ho much it was going to cost!!!! We also have a relocation specialist who is helping us with what we can and cannot bring...so all good.

The endless paper work continues....

It will all be worth it once we're there!


As for the passports I believe Canada may have something similar. I was actually born in the UK so have dual citizenship already. When I first became a Canadian citizen I once traveled with my British passport and just showed my citizenship card to reenter Canada. They were not impressed and told me I needed to get a Canadian passport. They didn't not let me in though. Probably depends on the customs/immigration officer you get. Not sure why that had never occurred to me before though.

Interestingly enough, I once traveled to Australia for a holiday and must have given my Canadian on the way there and my British on the way back. I was told you had to use the same passport for the entire trip, both ways! Which doesn't really work with theses other laws... I guess I'll just travel with all passports all the time.

My kids all have Canadian passports as of now. But since we have enough time I am going to go ahead with their citizenship and then passports.

Wanderer: Looking back on the Imm website I couldn't find an e-mail address anywhere. Just keeps giving me a phone number that you can only call while in Australia. Do you have the e-mail address?

Thanks again all!


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Clare,

your decision but with whatever work you're paying lawyers for - what goes on/in to the application will essentially be the same on/off shore and so nothing to lose really.
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Sorry meant to clarify this:
The Canadian Lawyer we have (a friend) has certified all the copies of documents we need. If applying in Australia the person certifying needs to be Australian. Hence, we'd have to re do everything.
The same goes for Stat Dec's. Here our Canadian friends have done them. In OZ we would need Australians.


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The same goes for Stat Dec's. Here our Canadian friends have done them. In OZ we would need Australians.

I was under the impression that the statutory declarations needed to be done by Australians no matter what.


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Old 05-19-2009, 04:11 AM
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I've been looking at enquiries re general skilled visas too much for with those they have a pre-posting and posted visas separate email contact formats.

Shame they do not have a general one though if you made contact initially by phone and asked them if they have a help desk with an email contact you may be able to get one for I know from previous experience with WHV they had one.

Re documents copies certifications, that's as wasy as walking into a police station, a post office or a bank here, flash the originals and some will ask for ID and I know at Police Stations a senior Officer usually has a stamp he uses and signs.

With statutory declarations they can be from anywhere and having marriage, kids birth certificates etc. you'd only need the bare minimum and it makes sense to have them from people/parents in both Canada/Australia if Hub has parents here or just use people here in Australia that know of your marriage etc., but being married 7 years they'd be pretty much superfluous.





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