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Old 06-28-2013, 01:49 PM
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Annna, I understand your point....there are honest people out there that contribute but all to often people from foreign countries are taking advantage of Australian tax payers and that is absolutely not okay.
You can't blame Australians for being a concerned when videos are released of illegal immigrants burning their beds, demanding 'quality brand' toothpaste and shampoo etc. people have got to understand although they are seeking asylum we are paying for it and they don't look to greatful. They say they are desperate but they surpass about 10 other countries they could seek refuge in on the way to Australia and then when they get in our waters demand to be let in otherwise they will set fire to their boat with women and children on it.
It's not always the case and some people are truly genuine but Australians have their reasons for being sceptical. Immigrants are very fortunate in Australia to have access to free English lessons, health care etc and some times it just seems like they don't appreciate it. Some want more and more.

As a person with a partner that's foreign I understand the stigma that can come with it but at the end of the day I understand why.

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I understand all of your points - I really do.

But I think we need to keep in mind that there is a difference between people who are really trying to bilk the system - and people who are genuinely in love and will still need government assistance to survive. I'm fortunate that my fiance is well-off enough that we don't have to worry about this, but I keep thinking... With my health issues, we had to hire someone to help us with our application to ensure it wouldn't be refused due to failing the medical. I had to start seeing an expensive nutritionist (as this is the States, even with my great insurance she wasn't covered and is $100 out of pocket each time I see her). And I had to join a gym -- but not just any gym. The only one in my area that had aqua fitness classes at times late enough that I could work until 5 and then go straight there. And that place is $70/month. Yes, these last two things are things I needed to do for my health, anyway (and they've been great!) but the reason we made the choices we did with the timing we did was so that DIAC would see I am genuinely trying to make improvements.

If we had not been able to afford the migration agent who specializes in health issues... the nutritionist I needed.. the specialists I needed statements from... the gym... etc etc we would have much less of a chance of being approved. So because I developed a specific health condition as a child, and was born with some others, if we were not well off I'd have to pay the price for that by never being allowed to move to Australia to be with the man I love.

Should people not be able to be with their spouse, with the person they love just because the person they love happens to be a cashier instead of a software engineer? That seems pretty heartless to me. Every person in society, on every level, contributes to that society in some way, and someone has to do the jobs that hardly pay at all. Those people deserve to be with the person they love just as much. So when you see someone talking about Centrelink after they arrive... why not take a step back, give them the benefit of the doubt, and assume they are this type of couple -- in love, but not rich. That doesn't mean they're trying to "bilk the system" - it just means they want to be together. I for one will always support love, even if I have to pay a little more in taxes.

Incidentally, I had never even heard of a "baby bonus" until I got here. The US definitely doesn't have one, and tons of women birth babies every day just fine without them. Just teasing Annna.

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Should people not be able to be with their spouse, with the person they love just because the person they love happens to be a cashier instead of a software engineer? That seems pretty heartless to me. Every person in society, on every level, contributes to that society in some way, and someone has to do the jobs that hardly pay at all. Those people deserve to be with the person they love just as much. So when you see someone talking about Centrelink after they arrive... why not take a step back, give them the benefit of the doubt, and assume they are this type of couple -- in love, but not rich. That doesn't mean they're trying to "bilk the system" - it just means they want to be together. I for one will always support love, even if I have to pay a little more in taxes.
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I defiantly see your point too college girl. The problem is....not everyone has an international partner so should they have to pay for it? Think or a cashier on a low wage and they are even more out of pocket to support people who a lot of the time aren't paying tax.

I agree a lot of the people are desperate and some just want to be with the person they love but I don't think it's realistic to just give everyone the benefit of the doubt...we would be broke haha. This process is defenitely intense and like so many people have said before me it seems like they know our relationship better than we do but It has to be done....I'm glad they don't make it like a walk through the park because some how you have to sort the legit from the fake even if unfortunatly sometimes people who are very much genuine have a hard time. I don't mean to sound harsh its just I guess they have to draw a line somewhere....

This doesn't apply to majority of people on here! I wish you all good luck


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I will give australia my splendid presence, my italian culture and history, my sense of beauty, my love for good food... what else? Australians (and not just my very lucky husband, who enjoys my cooking) should be honoured of me coming to live in their country and bring with me all my long and great life experience!!!!
Of course it's a ironical answer but I think that every immigrant brings one little piece of their culture and knowledge in the big jigsaw of cultures that is modern australia. That has made and will make australia stronger, bigger and beautiful in its diversity.

Maybe on tv you see some few arrogant and angry "immigrants". The majority are people who fled terrible wars and desasters, spent the few money they had to get on a broken boat, risking their lives and do deserve a better chance. And probably are grateful to live in Australia.
So 98% of immigrants come to live, work and pay taxes and of course if they need assistance they have the same rights as the "real australians".
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I defiantly see your point too college girl. The problem is....not everyone has an international partner so should they have to pay for it?
Frankly, yes! That's how keep society on an even keel - doing our best to ensure all members of society have at least the most basic of equalities.

My tax money goes to oodles of things I don't avail myself of personally - it goes to give tax breaks to people who are married (I'm not yet), it goes to take care of people who have become disabled and can no longer work (I work), it goes to support elderly people who need help (I'm not elderly yet), it takes care of hungry children whose parents cannot afford to feed them (I don't have any children), it goes to pay for roads I never use, it goes to pay for schools for children to attend (again, no children)... it goes to a million things that don't apply to me, and I wouldn't have it any other way. Because there ARE things *I* use that other people help pay for even if they don't use them. We all pay in for things we don't use, in order to get help with the things we DO use.

Putting all this aside, being with the person you love should be THE most basic right we have as human beings. And yes, even if having an international partner weren't something that applied to me, I'd *still* be willing to help others with the cost in some small way. That's just part of being a good person.

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I for one know I would definitely love your Italian food! Haha.

You're right. Everybody in Australia (with the exception of aboriginals) originally came from somewhere else and the best all the cultures together make Australia and Australians what they are.

I truly hope your right about 98% of immigrants being coming to Australia as honest hard working people, I just wanted to say...I can understand the other side of the argument too. What you have all said is a good reminder I look for the good in people. Thanks for that


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Frankly, yes! That's how keep society on an even keel - doing our best to ensure all members of society have at least the most basic of equalities.
And having to deal with transnational love is something that many - if not most - people in Australia will experience, in this world of commonplace international travel and gap years and student exchanges and working holiday visas and sponsored work visas and... and...

If someone doesn't have to deal with it through having an transnational partner themselves, their sons and daughters might, or their friends, or their brothers and sisters, or their parents, or their colleagues, or their neighbours or... or... And maybe even themselves at a later stage in their lives!

In this day and age transnational love is becoming more and more common, so the systems in place must cope with these changes.

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Lol i was thinking exactly this yesterday but didbt wanna say anything in case of offence to anyone. But yes i agree. I can understand if ur looking for work and claiming jobseekers (not til ur permanent resideny anyway lol) some of the benefits i havent even heard of, yet they seem to know all about them abroad. If u want a new life or a better life then do ur research and find a way to suppport yourselves with maybe a bit of help..this is the reason why people in the country hate immigrants so much!

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Ozzy that's pretty much what I meant. Obviously I don't mean to offend anyone and I'm in no way accusing anyone of being fake but I just wanted to say I can see the point of many Australians who feel as though they are being taken advantage of...it hard to say it in a non confrontational manner....I guess it is the way it is....that's why we have immigration officers to work it out for us.

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