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I just did one to Tony Burke.
Hope he understands the logic.

I checked the numbers and in 2015-16 there were 47,825 Partner visa applications. It is pretty similar each year, so we have up to about 180,000 Australian sponsors over a 4 year period, many of those are already voters.

In the 2016 Federal election, Liberal only got 96,000 more votes than Labor.

Partner Visa sponsors could swing an election, if they got together.
I guess its very hard to get them all together. Once they become citizen, they probably don't wanna more people from other countries become Australian citizen. There is a chance that they would think new immigrants would increase the competitions in job markets and welfare. What do you think?

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I think the votes consideration is plain wrong. This is not a political game, although they are doing everything they can to make one out of it.


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And my wife spent 3 1/2 years on an skilled academic TR visa before that, so has been in Australia since June 2010

6 years TR + 1 year PR
That bit is by choice. We are talking about compulsory requirements.


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I guess its very hard to get them all together. Once they become citizen, they probably don't wanna more people from other countries become Australian citizen. There is a chance that they would think new immigrants would increase the competitions in job markets and welfare. What do you think?
That wouldn't make sense. You don't have to be a citizen to get a job here, qualify for Medicare, etc.

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I think the votes consideration is plain wrong. This is not a political game, although they are doing everything they can to make one out of it.
Almost everything that every party does is geared to the voting consideration.
That will never change.

Politics is a political game, whether we like it or not.

It is down to the public to make them pay for their games at election time.
However, it is normally the majority that win, and the games are normally played to the majority.


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"Nick Xenophon Team says it's 'deeply worried' about Coalition's citizenship bill"

https://www.theguardian.com/australi...tizenship-bill


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"Nick Xenophon Team says it's 'deeply worried' about Coalition's citizenship bill"

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There problem with that is; they don't seem to understand it.
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He said he was also concerned about the English language test, which appears to have been designed to “exclude as many people as possible” from coming to Australia.
Having a stronger English test for citizenship does not stop anyone from coming to Australia. It might stop those who have lived here for years, as Permanent Residents, from becoming Citizens, but it does not stop them from coming.

Maybe he is confused with the test for Skilled Migrant visas instead?

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Get those two changes and it is a win. Lets be honest .... waiting 1 year on PR to gain Citizenship is farcical, it needs to be at least 4 if not more
You know what's farcical? Committing to living in a country permanently, have your kids go to school and adapt to the Australian society, pay taxes on the income you earn there, pay taxes on the income you earn overseas, have to abide by the country's laws and customs... While at the same having no rights - a PR holder in Australia: can't vote, can have their PR status revoked at any time, is excluded from a multitude of government-related jobs...

Permanent Residents are the slaves of the Australian democracy.


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And this is why governments like having really long PR periods - don't be fooled. Have a large section of the population with strong grounds to Australia, but who have no power to decide their future (vote)? That's the dream of every coalition politician.

Because the reality is - if they really wanted to address the issue of immigrants disrespecting Australian values (and there is indeed an issue), they would be doing so very much before citizenship. A PR holder, or any visa holder, can do the same damage.


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I guess its very hard to get them all together. Once they become citizen, they probably don't wanna more people from other countries become Australian citizen. There is a chance that they would think new immigrants would increase the competitions in job markets and welfare. What do you think?
When people go on this line of thinking, they are completely missing the point:

Except for refugees - immigration laws are always implemented with the national interest in mind. If you find a single other visa which you believe doesn't have the best interests of an Australian citizen in mind, you should be vocal about it.


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