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Old 09-05-2017, 11:07 AM
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I still don't see how the class of visa makes any difference.

It should be physically resident within Australia for 4 years, not permanent resident visa class for 4 years

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For Medicare the 820/801are treated the same as PR.
For TAFE the 820/801are treated the same as PR.

For Citizenship the 820/801are treated differently to PR.

If so many people mentioned this, I wonder why we were just ignored. I wonder how well they read the submissions.


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A few comments.

1. The Committee was chaired by a Liberal Senator and had a Liberal majority. There was every expectation the report would be along party lines - they tend to be.

2. The fact that the Liberal senators in the committee have broken ranks with the Government in their recommendations is significant and shows that the submissions and the hearings and the lobbying has made a difference.

3. Senator Stirling Griff's latest Facebook post reads as follows:

"To everyone concerned about the proposed 4 year permanent residency requirement for citizenship: NXT is opposed to any retrospective changes. People should be able to plan their lives with certainty, and so our position is that IF there are any changes to the permanent residency rules they should be future dated and should not apply to anyone currently in the system."

It is true the NXT senators are not blocking the bill altogether, but there is still hope and some time for lobbying. As I posted earlier, there is this submission to urge them to vote down the bill in full. It still needs signatures.

https://www.change.org/p/nick-xenoph...tizenship-bill

And you can also call and email the NXT senators individually to lobby them.

Although the bill is scheduled to be discussed in the Senate for the first time tomorrow, there may not yet be a vote as the Government may wait until it has the bill in such an amended form that it will be confident it will pass. That will probably take time.

Keep lobbying the crossbench senators, especially the undecideds as mentioned in an earlier post.


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For Medicare the 820/801are treated the same as PR.
For TAFE the 820/801are treated the same as PR.

For Citizenship the 820/801are treated differently to PR.

If so many people mentioned this, I wonder why we were just ignored. I wonder how well they read the submissions.
I'm confused, 801 is PR?

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3.12 The EM sets out the reason for the proposed amendment:
A residence requirement is an objective measure of an aspiring citizen's association with Australia.
This period allows a person the opportunity to gain an understanding of shared Australian values, and the commitment they must make to become an Australian citizen.
It also allows them time to integrate into the Australian community and acquire English language skills required for life in Australia as a successful citizen.
Extending the general residency period strengthens the integrity of the citizenship programme by providing more time to examine a person's character as a permanent resident in Australia.

For these reasons the National Consultation Report on citizenship recommended increasing the permanent residency period to 4 years for the general residence requirement.[/QUOTE]


3.12 is kind of ridiculous !!! They do believe the longer the 4 years PR status the better to examine a person's character as a permanent resident in Australia. ??? And more time for them to learn English , to integrate into the Australian community and acquire English language skills required for life in Australia as a successful citizen. ????


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They are talking about 4 years in PR Status (Currently only 2 years PR status )


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From Tony Burke:

I wanted you to know straightaway that the Nick Xenophon Senators have just announced they won't support Peter Dutton's citizenship changes.

This is great news but we need to do everything we can to ensure the opposition holds. If you have a moment please send a quick email to one of the three Senators in Nick Xenophon's party.

People always get told when someone isn't happy so it's really helpful if you can just take a couple of minutes to let them know you appreciate the decision.

You can email them by following these links:

Xenophon Team Contacts:

Senator Nick Xenophon - [email protected]

Senator Stirling Griff - [email protected]

Senator Skye Kakoschke-Moore - [email protected]

Also here's a copy of the article that's just gone online: Peter Dutton's Australian citizenship crackdown doomed after key senators pull support

We haven't won yet, but this is a huge development in defeating these changes.

Thanks for everything you are doing.

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I'm confused, 801 is PR?
But the 820 isn't. It is only Temporary.

As someone who has paid for the combined 820/801, but has only so far got the 820 part, we get Medicare and TAFE just like PR, but are treated differently for citizenship timeline.

Medicare and TAFE say they treat the 820 the same PR as it is PR route visa. But Citizenship rules treat it the same as a visitor visa.

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Also here's a copy of the article that's just gone online: Peter Dutton's Australian citizenship crackdown doomed after key senators pull support
No help to those of us on the 820.

The party also opposed retrospective changes that would require permanent residents to wait four years before applying for citizenship.

It would help those who already have the 801, but would it help those living in Australia, on the temporary part of the Partner visa.

No politician who replies seems to want to say anything specifically about their opinion on that.

Over seven years on a specific permanent visa route before being eligible to apply for citizenship, and all they talk about is four years.

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I sent an email to NXT senator Stirling Griff and requested him to reject the bill.

His representative has has replied to my email as follows:



Dear Hassan
Thank you for your email to Senator Stirling Griff. I am responding on his behalf.
Thank you for your kind words of support. As you are aware, the NXT announced it would not be supporting the Australian Citizenship Legislation Amendment (Strengthening the Requirements for Australian Citizenship and Other Measures) Bill 2017 in its current form.
Stirling was involved in the Senate Inquiry into the Bill and this Inquiry has just reported. You can view the outcome of the Inquiry here: http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_...enshipBill2017
Stirling?s key concerns with the legislation were regarding the power the bill will grant to the Immigration Minister to overrule citizenship decisions by the AAT. He was also concerned about the English language test which appears to have been designed to exclude as many people as possible from coming to Australia.
He too commented about the retrospective nature of the bill, particularly the plan to extend permanent residency from one to four years before a person can apply for citizenship. The NXT is also opposed to any retrospective changes. People should be able to plan their lives with certainty, and so our position is that IF there are any changes to the permanent residency rules they should be future dated and should not apply to anyone currently in the system.

You can also read Stirling?s Dissenting Report into the Inquiry here which outlines his position further: http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_...017/Report/d03

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