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Wow, what a huge number for one of the richest countries in the world with a population of 23 million...

Before the Syrian war, Jordan had a population of about 6 million.

In the two years of the war it has taken in a reported 250,000 refugees from Syria (and counting every day).

Prior to that, it took in a reported 750,000 refugees from Iraq.

Prior to that, it took in more than 1 million refugees from Palestine.

It is one of the most water-poor countries in the world. An estimated 80% or more of the land is desert, i.e. not habitable. It has a high cost of living and very low median wages. And yet it has not shirked its responsibilities to its fellow human beings, despite receiving relatively little aid for the requirements of the circumstances.

Seventeen thousand for a rich country of 23 million? Please.
You're missing the point. Its not a case of denying refugees a right to seek asylum in Australia, its about putting a stop to people smuggling and arriving by boats. The best part of Rudds proposed policy - more visas and visa options for asylum seekers so they can do it properly!

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17,202 "boat people", not 17,202 refugee in total, don't get it wrong. Please.

I think the purpose of putting those figures up there is to show that people smuggling have become a much more challenging situation over the years, especially in recent few years.

Countries receiving refugees normally are also receiving foreign aids. But do you know where all or big part of the money goes to?

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I guess I will be attacked for this but frankly I am sick of politically correctness. Go Kevin 2013, I do not care where you send them. Mr Abott is also on the same page.

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Whats there for PNG in all this?
for the people of png nothing,for the priminister of png,$ name your price.

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What do you say about these people passing through several safe countries on their journey and most of them reported to be economic refufees who aren't in any danger?

Just as it is not black and white in saying these people are queue jumpers, it is not black and white to say they are legitimate asylum seekers.
"Most of them [are] economic refugees."

Where's your evidence to support this claim? Please don't tell me it's a quote from Bob Carr!?

If they are not genuine asylum seekers, then why are the acceptance rates so high?

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Statistics from 2008 showed at least 13 asylum seekers arrive through Australian airports daily, more than 32 times the number of boat people supposedly ''flooding'' across our maritime borders in that year. A total of 4768 ''plane people'', more than 96 per cent of applicants for refugee status, arrived in that year on legitimate tourist, business and other visas - compared with 161 who arrived by boat during the same period. While boat numbers have increased, Australian Government statistics from the first quarter of 2013 showed more than 90 per cent of asylum seekers who arrived by boat were found to be genuine refugees. In comparison, those who arrived by plane - despite being eligible for release into the community and not having to face years of detention on Nauru or Manus Island - were almost twice as likely to be rejected as refugees. The figure continued a long-term trend of high approval rates for people arriving by boat, with 93.5 per cent being found to be refugees in 2010-11 and 91 per cent in 2011-12.

Read more: Ten myths around asylum seekers arriving on boats in Australian waters | News.com.au

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The visa approval rates of refugees arriving by boat is relatively high. In 2011-12, 84 per cent of arrivals from Afghanistan were approved for a visa, and 76 per cent of those arriving from Iraq were approved. The lowest rate was for refugees from Iran, at 61 per cent approved in 2011-12. Overall, the visa grant rate for IMAs was 71 per cent in 2011-12.
Source: Interactive: Refugees and asylum seekers | SBS World News


If that's not enough, here is a rational and informative rebuttal from Sara Davies (Senior Research Fellow, International Relations Griffiths University) to Bob Carr's claim that most asylum seekers arriving by boat are 'economic refugees':

FactCheck: are asylum seekers really economic refugees?


PS. What 'safe' countries are you referring to? Surely not Malaysia or Indonesia?

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In South-East Asia's complex mixed-migration context, States' interests relating to national security and the maintenance of good relations with neighbours constrain refugee protection and access to asylum. The problem is compounded by the lack of national legal frameworks for dealing with refugees and asylum-seekers in many countries. The use of detention facilities to hold asylum-seekers, refugees and stateless people, including children and others vulnerable to exploitation and abuse, is a worrying trend. In addition, many urban refugees and asylum-seekers face a precarious situation due to limited livelihood opportunities or access to social services.
Source: UNHCR - Indonesia


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If you come by boats, pay the smugglers $10k+ per head, no proper documents, no valid visa, you have a better chance?

On the other hand, if you come by plane, going through all the procedures and getting a valid visa to board a plane, you now have less chance?

How is that work? I thought they all comes from the same country facing the similar situation?


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"Most of them [are] economic refugees."

Where's your evidence to support this claim? Please don't tell me it's a quote from Bob Carr!?

If they are not genuine asylum seekers, then why are the acceptance rates so high?

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Statistics from 2008 showed at least 13 asylum seekers arrive through Australian airports daily, more than 32 times the number of boat people supposedly ''flooding'' across our maritime borders in that year. A total of 4768 ''plane people'', more than 96 per cent of applicants for refugee status, arrived in that year on legitimate tourist, business and other visas - compared with 161 who arrived by boat during the same period. While boat numbers have increased, Australian Government statistics from the first quarter of 2013 showed more than 90 per cent of asylum seekers who arrived by boat were found to be genuine refugees. In comparison, those who arrived by plane - despite being eligible for release into the community and not having to face years of detention on Nauru or Manus Island - were almost twice as likely to be rejected as refugees. The figure continued a long-term trend of high approval rates for people arriving by boat, with 93.5 per cent being found to be refugees in 2010-11 and 91 per cent in 2011-12.

Read more: Ten myths around asylum seekers arriving on boats in Australian waters | News.com.au
And News.com.au - a generic internet based news site is all genuine fact checked information? Not sure I would trust everything I read on this site! Where are their resources to their facts in the article? Apart from a couple of pictures being referenced none of the other information appears to have come from anywhere at all?

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The visa approval rates of refugees arriving by boat is relatively high. In 2011-12, 84 per cent of arrivals from Afghanistan were approved for a visa, and 76 per cent of those arriving from Iraq were approved. The lowest rate was for refugees from Iran, at 61 per cent approved in 2011-12. Overall, the visa grant rate for IMAs was 71 per cent in 2011-12.
Source: Interactive: Refugees and asylum seekers | SBS World News


If that's not enough, here is a rational and informative rebuttal from Sara Davies (Senior Research Fellow, International Relations Griffiths University) to Bob Carr's claim that most asylum seekers arriving by boat are 'economic refugees':

FactCheck: are asylum seekers really economic refugees?
Great! SBS does carry some more credibility when it comes to reporting facts, however...The SBS article shows recent figures of people seeking asylum in Australia due to conflict in their country - but the Brisbane times article you posted actually reports that there is no way they could tell really who are genuine asylum seekers as 20,000 odd refugees that have arrived since August 2012 haven't been processed...so do SBS have some inside information that the government committees and institutions set up to monitor and process refugees - don't?

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Because of this, as reported in The Guardian: “there has been virtually no processing of the claims made by the more than 20,000 refugees who have arrived since that time”. This was confirmed in the Legal and Constitutional Affairs Legislation Committee on May 27, 2013. So, if we have not processed claims, we have no idea whether recent arrivals by boat are “genuine” refugees or not.

Read more: FactCheck: are asylum seekers really economic refugees?
I am not going to argue about the politics of who stated what, when and why and nor am I going to trawell the internet for links to articles with further mis-information which are clearly nothing more than opinion peices...I have heard both that it is true and that it is untrue. My point for my original comment to you was basically that it is not black and white and we really just don't have all the correct information.

Regardless, I am pro asylum, anti people smuggling!

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PS. What 'safe' countries are you referring to? Surely not Malaysia or Indonesia?Source: UNHCR - Indonesia
Sorry, which part of the article are you referring to that deems Malaysia and Indonesia "unsafe"? In what context do you mean "unsafe" also, because as I understand it the refugees are fleeing from conflicted countries and are fearing their lives - whats going on in Indonesia and Malaysia that is as dire as that?

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I'm sorry, how is it that these people are supposed to get valid visas to get on a plane, if they can't tick all the boxes in a long list to allow them to immigrate? It is legal to arrive in Australia by air or by sea without a visa for the purposes to seek asylum, but come on, I'm sure that we all here - on an immigration forum - know that it's unlikely that any airline will allow anybody to board a plane to Australia without a visa, because then they will charged for the costs of deporting that person! Going through the proper "procedures" to be granted asylum takes months upon months of waiting, and time is something that these people do not have. Ok, so if they stay and wait they won't be taking the risk of drowning from the boats, but they'll probably be killed where they are by the people they're fleeing. But that's ok, isn't it, because we don't have to see that on television or even think about it. So, problem solved!

It is telling that the most vocal people about "stopping the boats" are those who have never had to experience a life without free speech, or free movement, or all the golden opportunities to be successful in life based on talent and potential, rather than money or connections.

I really don't think I'm missing the point here when people are talking about "broken third world countries", and the fact that displaced people have to be settled somewhere, but "why does it have to be Australia?" This was once known as the land of opportunity, "for those who've come across the seas, we've boundless plains to share". Now it's just a nation of immigrants who have had the fortunate to make their lives here, scrambling over each other to slam the door on anyone else who might hope to do the same. And this has never been just about asylum seekers. Get over yourselves. You're not special just because you're Australian. If you were born here, Australia didn't pluck you out of a pile for your special qualities. You just won the lottery of life.

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